[Deck] Fetchland Tendrils

[rsaunder]

If you're good with the deck, an average of a turn 3 goldfish is very widely agreed upon. Goblins can race this almost never, not can many other aggro decks. Post board, the deck speeds up more from IT+IGG and doesnt require the life of doomsday.

The deck also plays 8 disruption, 2 more than even the most protected TES. 4 basics is also pretty good, I hear.

In addition to this, the deck never fizzles. You can draw nothing off AdN or returns, doomsday always wins because you know exactly what you're getting into.

TES is faster, yes, but at a cost.

[Espenhein]

My budget is slim atm.

What would be the best substitute for Orims Chant? Abeyance, Pact etc.

[rsaunder]

My budget is slim atm.

What would be the best substitute for Orims Chant? Abeyance, Pact etc.

Abeyance is also a como enabler. That can't be totally discounted. And it lets you run IGG loops and you dont need it in your hand when being disrupted, so I'd say abeyance.

[thefreakaccident]

You can always decide to play a good combo deck in TES. I don't agree on how this deck is better especially without the inclusion of Ad Naiseum. This card puts TES over the top with so many turn 1 kills.

If I played a storm combo deck, I would pick a deck that wins the game as fast as possible and not on turns 4-5 where an aggro deck can just beat you.

For some reason when I mention the word "Doomsday", people just laugh. I don't know why, but they do. :)

TES is a little faster, true...

BUT ft is a lot more consistent (more draw, and has tutors for set-up)... and it runs a lot more disruption (can tutor for it, and usually runs 2-3 more disruption than TES)...


Also... we don't auto-lose to CB.

Anyways, I don't want anyone to get extremely but-hurt, so I will stop here.

[GreenOne]

My budget is slim atm.

What would be the best substitute for Orims Chant? Abeyance, Pact etc.

I'd play Duress in a Doomsday heavy list and Abeyance in a more IGG oriented list.

[Espenhein]

Ty Greenone I got the link. Feel free to edit your post so you dont get in trouble

I think I wanna play a list with 8 MD protection. Would 4 Duress and 4 Abeyance work?

[GreenOne]

In this case I'd play 4 Duress and 3 Abeyance +1 Infernal Tutor.

Against burn decks and Tarmoslight/boros you need to Doomsday afer a chant effect, but due to the speed of the opposing aggro deck you will not always be able to pay the 1 more for abeyance. Thank god against those decks you can just tutor for IT and go the IGG route.

Note that abeyance is a lot worse against aggro decks than Chant, which can timewalk all day against them. Abeyance is also hit by Spell Snare, shich is not great against Thresh-like decks. It can be however, better against landstill type decks. Just do your metagame consideration before playing it blindly

[Espenhein]

yes I know Abeyance is suboptimal, but I dont have any other options at the moment.

What list would you recommend, now when you know my limitations?

[GreenOne]

Aske emidln with PM, he's great at making decklist on the spot knowing the needs and the meta.

[Dark_Cynic87]

I went up to 5 basics and dropped the 9th Fetch I was trying out (Mire--Don't do it, go Heath if you go 9 fetches). I'm running a manabase like:

8x U fetches
2x Swamp
2x Island
1x Plains
1x Trop
1x USea
1x Tundra
1x Scrub

It's performing well. I'm in the middle of tweaking my sideboard to beat Dragon Stompy. Honestly, I lose to it so consistantly that I'm getting ticked. My sideboard looks like this atm:

3x Serenity (This might be the problem--I might need 4x)
3x RR
2x K. Grip
2x 'Pate
1x E. Truth
1x Grapeshot
1x Helm
1x IT
1x Abeyance

The abeyance will probably become Serenity #4. I use the IT for when I go IGG. With a bit more practice, I may drop the IT in favor of Abeyance, as it's nice to have 9x Disruption spells against TES--I haven't lost a match to AdN TES ever so far.

The problem I'm having is what to drop for SBing against DS. I'm not even sure if the Grips go in or not against it as they only way to play them is LED (not a good idea), Petal (only run 1x) and Trop (Moon FX stop this). I haven't been boarding them in. Maybe I should? Help needed, I guess...

Also, I am using Wipe Away MD'ed instead of Grip. It's working out better for my meta.

Pce,

--DC

[GreenOne]

Did yuo try 1xLim Dul instead of 1 Mystical to have less 1CC spells and Tutor for Serenity/bounce? It MAY help against DS.

[Jaiminho]

Lim-Dul's Vault is good against Stax and Faerie Stompy, but it's way worse against Dragon Stompy. It's either Chalice or Moon that is gonna deny you a tutor. If there's a choice to be made here, you should get that vulnerability hit by the one that is less present in the deck, which is Chalice, not Moon.

The problem I'm having is what to drop for SBing against DS. I'm not even sure if the Grips go in or not against it as they only way to play them is LED (not a good idea), Petal (only run 1x) and Trop (Moon FX stop this). I haven't been boarding them in. Maybe I should? Help needed, I guess...

Also, I am using Wipe Away MD'ed instead of Grip. It's working out better for my meta.

Don't use Grips against Stompy. I don't even recommend them against any other Chalice decks, since you have better options with Truth, River and Wipe Away. My boarding against DS is this:

-2 Ponder, -1 Grip, -4 Chant, +2 River, +3 Serenity, +1 IT, +1 Pact
(I have 1 Truth and 0 Contract in the maindeck)

I don't feel that a 2nd IGG is needed in this match. They can't disrupt you in a way you can't disrupt them back, so you will only have to care about having answers and not being caught under a heavy clock.

[kicks_422]

I don't board out Chant against Stompy decks if I'm on the play, since I think Time Walks gives enough time to set up for the win (e.g. Chant their first turn, drop Serenity second turn, go off on 3rd turn unimpeded). Is this a bad choice?

[rsaunder]

I don't board out Chant against Stompy decks if I'm on the play, since I think Time Walks gives enough time to set up for the win (e.g. Chant their first turn, drop Serenity second turn, go off on 3rd turn unimpeded). Is this a bad choice?

You only have about a 40-something percent chance of pulling one in your opening hand, even less that you will pull one and a white land. I generally side them out, but it's just my playstyle and what I think is the best way to play the odds. Chant has saved me a few times as a timewalk in that matchup, but never as much as serenity or duress or R. River.

[Espenhein]

I wanna play FT at the danish nationals, but I dont know which list I should choose.?

I predict my meta to be:

10% Threshold
10% Landstill or similar control decks

Lots of random aggro + rock-like decks without much discard. I dont expect to see much DS, Stax or FS.

[TeKo]

I would play a Speed FT list, with Wraiths, Petals and Cabal Rits, in a meta like that.

[GreenOne]

I would play a Speed FT list, with Wraiths, Petals and Cabal Rits, in a meta like that.

With AN out, does playing a version like that still have sense? I'd play ANT at this point.

[thefreakaccident]

With AN out, does playing a version like that still have sense? I'd play ANT at this point.

SI and belcher are still much faster than ANT decks...


I would never play another combo deck aside from FT... as it is the most consistent (read: more cantrips than threshold and tutors), and can kill almost as fast...

We also don't scoop to hate like other combo decks do, well at least not nearly as bad ...


Does anyone know what kind of doomsday stacks work with just two mana floating, a brainstorm in hand, and some dead cards in hand?


I just could not figure this out...

[TeKo]

Does anyone know what kind of doomsday stacks work with just two mana floating, a brainstorm in hand, and some dead cards in hand?

I uploaded some of the Stacks posted here:
http://home.versanet.de/~mitja/FT_ddstacks.html

[rsaunder]

Brainstorm in hand (and 2 cards), 1U floating:

1 SDT
1 LED
1 LED
1 IGG
1 Tendrils

Play brainstorm with U, drawing sdt, 2xled replacing the 2 cards. Plat SDT and both LEDs, pop 'em for UUUBBB. Spin top with U placing IGG on top, draw IGG and IGG with U floating returning brainstorm, LED, LED. Play both led's and pop 'em with brainstorm on the stack for BBBBBB. Replay top, spin top putting tendrils on top and draw it and cast it.