[Article] The Demigod Deck

[nitewolf9]

Besides, it's competing with what, It's the Fear for that title? I can buy that.

I don't think I can. But at least this deck runs a single breeding pool to not just lose on the spot to extirpate on tropical island.

[frogboy]

I don't think I can. But at least this deck runs a single breeding pool to not just lose on the spot to extirpate on tropical island.

obligatory LOL EXTIRPATE SUX post here.

Now that it's been said, how about we avoid a thread derailment?

[Volt]

This place needs less hyperventilating. I suspect if someone popular with the Source had written the same article there would be a lot less sniping going on.

Dittos from me, too. This thread reminds me of why the Source annoys me at times.

[xsockmonkeyx]

This thread reminds me of why people dont like the Source.

fixt.

[Nightmare]

Yeah, I'm sure I'm super biased against such a ridiculous claim because of who said it, not because it's such a ridiculous claim.

Let's see: A deck which has been played by one person at one event is claimed to be the best combo-control deck in the format. This deck is not a Painter deck, nor is it a Dreadnought deck. Nope, it really doesn't even have, like, a combo in the deck! Unless of course you count Urborg+Intuition+Demigod as a combo. Which you shouldn't.

But who am I to judge? I mean, I barely even play this format, and I certainly don't have any idea what decks are being played successfully in the format. I must simply be biased against Kevin.

God forbid we require accountability from writers.

[nitewolf9]

Now that it's been said, how about we avoid a thread derailment?

Obligatory "why the fuck would you run breeding pool when you aren't even running 4 tropical islands" here. It's a relevant design question about this deck. I would think the extra 2 damage is probably going to matter more often than the extirpate scenario. Do people really live in fear of wasteland -> extirpate on tropical island?
Actually, yes. Yes they do. Sorry, I answered my own question.

PS. Extirpate sucks. I think more people are realizing this.

[Omega]

I did enjoyed the decklists and the article overall. But like most people, i have yet to see this deck in action.

About the comment that it is favorable against Tres hold: It looks like that all decks being created nowadays are favorable against Tres hold...



Robert

[Cabal-kun]

If the (mis?)use of one word upsets you this much, I feel very bad for you.

Because everyone knows that the introduction/first paragraph isn't important at all.

[Pulp_Fiction]

Whether Extirpate sucks or not has no relevance to anything. What does have relevance is if people play the card and if people in your meta do in fact run this card that "sucks" then be able to deal with it rather than dismissing it as a fluke or "scrub" card.

[Peter_Rotten]

Dittos from me, too. This thread reminds me of why the Source annoys me at times.

QFT. I swear, there can't be a single article that ppl like. And, god-forbid, Anus writes it! Then fuck, it MUST be shitty.

Unfortunately, Legacy players are like the players of every other format: they know everything and they especially know that you are wrong.

It is also nice to see that we have found the single line in the article that we should extensively bitch about. Anus called it "the premier" deck. Blasphemy. Tar and feathers. See if he floats.

Personally, I feel that mediocre-to-good articles are better than nothing. I clearly recall the days when we had NOTHING. Hell, I remember co-authoring an article with Scrumdogg! We were hard up!

[Nightmare]

QFT. I swear, there can't be a single article that ppl like. And, god-forbid, Anus writes it! Then fuck, it MUST be shitty.

You can't paint a turd.

[Mordel]

Anus writes it!

I lol'd.

Peoples' ire over tremendous use of hyperbole has actually managed to overshadow the conflict between people that like and people that hate extirpate.

I have to admit, I am somewhat partial to writers avoiding hyperboles when writing about a deck lots of people have not seen in action before, but whatever.

What I am honestly confused by is this: In light of all of the criticism a legacy article will see here and a large portion of the people that read these articles reside here, why on earth would anyone leave an exaggeration that will obviously been pounced upon in the article?

I don't get it. I read the article before checking out this thread and when I saw the introduction I thought to myself; "oh god...people are going to shit bricks": as if the writer didn't spot this too.

Whyyyyy???!

I am probably one of the few, but I kind of like the source for the "rabble rabble rabble!!!" factor. I get my daily chuckles out of lots of threads here. When a new scg article comes out, I can pretty much bank on getting some lulz out of the ensuing discussion.

[jazzykat]

Relic of Progenitus is actually really unimpressive. Extirpate is better because you have to get lucky to counter it with Counterbalance.

I am sending this snippet to Deep6er.

Relic of Progenitus can come down before counterbalance, besides the fact that when activated it draws you a card...I'm not going to argue.

Also, I don't play in a meta where I face blood moon every game, but it looks like you would need 1 Gifts+1 Intuition or 2 Intuitions to set up the Demi-God plan. It's been said before but this looks like ITF metagamed to beat Blood Moon. Honestly, if I'm worried about Blood Moon I play UR Dreadstill with 6 basic islands and proceed to almost completely ignore it.

[frogboy]

Under Blood Moon you need Intuition, a basic Island, and five nonbasics, and then your opponent dies.

Let's see: A deck which has been played by one person at one event is claimed to be the best combo-control deck in the format. This deck is not a Painter deck, nor is it a Dreadnought deck. Nope, it really doesn't even have, like, a combo in the deck! Unless of course you count Urborg+Intuition+Demigod as a combo. Which you shouldn't.

I actually just sort of lump all the Counterbalance decks together in my mind, and since I think of Dreadnought decks as being more adorable than anything else and stone forgot about Epic Painter, misspoke. This is a reasonable point. Can we pretend he said he 'thinks it might be the best Counterbalance deck?' I'm not even sure if that's true, but it will probably foster more productive discussion.

[Artowis]

Under Blood Moon you need Intuition, a basic Island, and five nonbasics, and then your opponent dies.



I actually just sort of lump all the Counterbalance decks together in my mind, and since I think of Dreadnought decks as being more adorable than anything else and stone forgot about Epic Painter, misspoke. This is a reasonable point. Can we pretend he said he 'thinks it might be the best Counterbalance deck?' I'm not even sure if that's true, but it will probably foster more productive discussion.

No. Because that's clearly not as much fun as just harping on the same point over and over. It totally worked for the burn and team america threads. We can only hope to meet those lofty standards of threadrrifcness.

[Nihil Credo]

Under Blood Moon you need Intuition, a basic Island, and five nonbasics, and then your opponent dies.

I suspect (Average #turns Dragon Stompy needs to kill you - Average #turns to draw and play all of that) may be a negative number.

[klaus]

Also, I kind of like the deck. I like it like an uncle might like his odd looking nephew who's really got balls and does impressive stuff at times but, well, looks odd.

[Anusien]

I suspect (Average #turns Dragon Stompy needs to kill you - Average #turns to draw and play all of that) may be a negative number.

Actually it held up well against Dragon Stompy in testing*. In game 1 situations you have Force, some small amount of removal and Tarmogoyf. A lot of games come down to them playing some insignificant creature and bashing for 2 while you hold Force of Will for the one relevant card in their hand (the Slogger, Pit-Dragon, Jitte, whatever). That gives you plenty of turns to 15 them. Games I won against Dragon Stompy are split pretty closely between stopping their early assault and blowing them out, and just 15ing them.

*Pretty well in this case really does mean slightly favorable; the matchup is something like 55/45 or an equivalent. But considering how abysmal the matchup was for Vorosh, I feel pretty damn good about that.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

You thinking its good, and online excitement don't translate into it being the best control/combo deck in the format.

It's comments like these that undermine your credibility as a writer, and piss off the people who actually have a clue about the format.

+1

@Defenders of Anusien:


Are you for fucking serious? Dreadstill? Anything Painter-Stone? Solidarity is still far and away more popular and proved than this. This demonstrates a severe lack of understand of either the format or the English language, or more likely, both.

I'd rather have no Legacy articles than grossly misleading Legacy articles.

The article wasn't terrible otherwise, but this is actually a very relevant complaint, and it's hardly an error; it's the entire focus of the opening paragraph.

[frogboy]

This demonstrates a severe lack of understand of either the format or the English language, or more likely, both.

Meh. I took it to mean a control deck with a combo-esque finish. I don't think Solidarity really counts; it's a combo deck that happens to play Remand and Force of Will.