Worst card in Magic

[quicksilver]

What about Norin the Wary?



The card literally can't do anything. Way worse than Rakalite, IMO.

Also the flavor text for that card is from Star Wars, which automatically makes it not the worst card ever.

Also you could come up with some casual combos with that. Such as Cream of the Crop or Aura Shards jsut to name a few.

[dahcmai]

Pandeonium was used in standard with him. Not horrid, but not good either.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Not if that something unique is also useless and literally incapable of abuse.

There is literally nothing you can do to gain a benefit from Great Wall that is derived from the text of the card.

Chimney Imp is way, way better than Great Wall. If we were playing grab bag draft, which would you pick first, honestly?

I would pick whichever required the least physical effort to lift up, because neither would ever, ever make it into my deck. No matter how bad my draft was. Your limited argument is weak.

Great Wall, however bad, has a potential use. Chimney Imp does not have a single use for which another card is not 100x better.

There's the possibility that someone somewhere is losing to his friend's casual plainswalk deck and needs a defense. Even at kitchen table Magic, however, even in the jankiest conceivable combo, there is no use for Chimney Imp.

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

That's retarded, because for 3 mana, why wouldn't you just kill the creatures?

Chimney Imp would make it in your deck if you ended up with not that many creatures in your color.

Great Wall would NEVER make it in.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Chimmiy Imp could at least jump block a turn without giving your opp CA

[Pinder]

Great Wall, however bad, has a potential use. Chimney Imp does not have a single use for which another card is not 100x better.

You say that there's no single use for Chimney Imp for which there isn't something 100x better, but you fail to make the same analysis for Great Wall? You want to keep creatures from getting through? How about Moat? Island Sanctuary? And that's just in white. You could always make plainswalkers blockable by, you know, not fucking running plains. When a card's functionality can be effectively be replaced by not running a card, I'd say that's pretty bad.

All things being equal, if I was for some sadistic reason forced to choose between Great Wall or Chimney Imp and had to run the one I picked, I would go for the Imp every time because at least it can get in for one every now and again.

[mtglordtom24]

I was playing a casual game once, and Norin the Wary is busted with Confusion in the Ranks.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Because you're playing a kitchen magic deck. All you want to do is stop Plainswalking. You still want to be able to attack with your groundpounders. You still want to play white.

The point remains that Great Wall does something, which can't be said of Chimney Imp.

[b4r0n]

Because you're playing a kitchen magic deck. All you want to do is stop Plainswalking. You still want to be able to attack with your groundpounders. You still want to play white.

The point remains that Great Wall does something, which can't be said of Chimney Imp.

Seriously? Chimney Imp has evasion and can swing for the win. Great Wall isn't even an answer to plainswalkers, it just makes them blockable. Chimney Imp does a lot more than Great Wall.

Also, I can't believe I'm arguing that Chimney Imp is good. wtf.

[Pinder]

Also, I can't believe I'm arguing that Chimney Imp is good. wtf.

Not that it's good, just that it's better than Great Wall.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Also, why give a creature plainswalk to begin with?

Because otherwise we wouldn't have this guy.

[Team-Hero]

Oath of Mages is horrible. I see no situation for a red player where that could be useful. I believe it harms the player who casted the card, than its opponent.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Seriously? Chimney Imp has evasion and can swing for the win. Great Wall isn't even an answer to plainswalkers, it just makes them blockable. Chimney Imp does a lot more than Great Wall.

Also, I can't believe I'm arguing that Chimney Imp is good. wtf.

Granted, unfortunately you're not listening to what I'm saying.

In a limited deck, I would much rather have pretty much any creature I can cast than Great Wall. However, in reality, I would never play either Great Wall or Chimney Imp. Never ever ever. I would always play an 18th or 19th land first.

Conversely, someone, somewhere, looks at Great Wall and finds a use for it. Ditto to Norin the Wary and Malignant Growth and all the other atrociously bad cards we usually talk about.

It's not a good use, but it's a use.

There's no use for Chimney Imp except as a proxy. There's never a reason to play it, no matter how bad, in either limited or standard.

Let me reiterate;

Even when you're not considering the quality of a card, there's no reason to put Chimney Imp in your deck. Even casual players have no reason to use it. That's how terrible it is.

[b4r0n]

Granted, unfortunately you're not listening to what I'm saying.

In a limited deck, I would much rather have pretty much any creature I can cast than Great Wall. However, in reality, I would never play either Great Wall or Chimney Imp. Never ever ever. I would always play an 18th or 19th land first.

Conversely, someone, somewhere, looks at Great Wall and finds a use for it. Ditto to Norin the Wary and Malignant Growth and all the other atrociously bad cards we usually talk about.

It's not a good use, but it's a use.

There's no use for Chimney Imp except as a proxy. There's never a reason to play it, no matter how bad, in either limited or standard.

Let me reiterate;

Even when you're not considering the quality of a card, there's no reason to put Chimney Imp in your deck. Even casual players have no reason to use it. That's how terrible it is.

I mean, someone could just as easily look at Chimney Imp and think, "Wow, this combos with Oversold Cemetary and Nantuko Husk to lock someone out." That's not going to see play in any format, but it might make for a somewhat cool (although extremely unfun) casual deck.

I guess I'm a little confused by how you're trying to define the criteria for a card being the worst card in Magic. Is there ever a card that's completely useless at the kitchen table? Doesn't it make more sense to look at cards' applications in real formats, including limited?

[Aleksandr]

I mean, someone could just as easily look at Chimney Imp and think, "Wow, this combos with Oversold Cemetary and Nantuko Husk to lock someone out." That's not going to see play in any format, but it might make for a somewhat cool (although extremely unfun) casual deck.

But IBA needs to be the one that speaks in support of Great Wall. He is the one who never puts up the fight, man that has the strength, endurance and courage to shovel the turd against a tide. Dont argue him, it is meaningless.

I guess I'm a little confused by how you're trying to define the criteria for a card being the worst card in Magic. Is there ever a card that's completely useless at the kitchen table? Doesn't it make more sense to look at cards' applications in real formats, including limited?

I cannot imagine any kitchen tablist (and I played kitchen table magic for years), that would use Great Wall. While Husk/Imp/Cemetary combo is at least somehow viable.

The only reasonable argument was Magically Hacking the Wall. But such a play is THAT unbeliavable...
Not even people who play casual Magic are that retarded that they cannot choose correctly from with "do nothing" and "1/2 flying".

[georgjorge]

Why 7WW and 7B ?

Also, I agree. This thread needs a bit less heated arguing and more pictures of bad cards.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Its not the wrost cuz it actually could block but i may be the wrost creature

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

Granted, unfortunately you're not listening to what I'm saying.

In a limited deck, I would much rather have pretty much any creature I can cast than Great Wall. However, in reality, I would never play either Great Wall or Chimney Imp. Never ever ever. I would always play an 18th or 19th land first.

Conversely, someone, somewhere, looks at Great Wall and finds a use for it. Ditto to Norin the Wary and Malignant Growth and all the other atrociously bad cards we usually talk about.

It's not a good use, but it's a use.

There's no use for Chimney Imp except as a proxy. There's never a reason to play it, no matter how bad, in either limited or standard.

Let me reiterate;

Even when you're not considering the quality of a card, there's no reason to put Chimney Imp in your deck. Even casual players have no reason to use it. That's how terrible it is.

Way to ignore what I said.

If you were playing Grab Bag Draft and you ended up with only 13 or 14 in color creatures, you probably would play Chimney Imp.

There is no scenario where you would play Great Wall.

Even Magical Hacking it only makes it god awful, rather than worst card ever.



The fact that Chimney Imp is worse than almost any other creature is irrelevant.

It's like saying Gray Ogre is the worst card ever because it's strictly worse than say, Enslaved Scout.

They're still creatures. That alone makes them playable in certain limited formats. If they're remotely playable, they're not in the running.

[hi-val]

Is Chimney Imp better or worse than Aven Trooper?

Also, is there a card worse than one that just said:

Greatest Wall
2W
~ does nothing.

[Skeggi]

Also, is there a card worse than one that just said:

Great Wall
2W
~ does nothing.

Yes, if you read back it's:

Snowfall
2U
Cumulative upkeep U
~ does nothing.

On the other hand, it does feed Goyf and threshold faster than Great Wall...hmmm...