[Deck] Survival

[jazzykat]

You need to play 4 survival. The 1 of deed without any search is plain random.

[juventus]

You need to play 4 survival. The 1 of deed without any search is plain random.

there are 3 enlightened tutors in his list...

[Xenocide]

@Hawdes list:
I think that you should fit 1 SDT into the main. I don't see a reason for splitting 1 EE and 1 Deed, sure you avoid Pithing Needle but that doesn't matter until games 2 and 3 anyway (and even then, they are gonna be naming Survival first).
-1 ???
-1 Engineered Explosives
+1 SDT
+1 Pernicious Deeds

[Shabbaman]

The problem I see with Bob is that survival already runs way too many 2 drops. Also, eternal witness, Survival, and your discard suite give you enough advantage already. Confidant is very good in the more aggresive rock forms of survival, but here, he's just a useless dork who they hit wit their removal immediately.

I see. I assume not running Dark confidant improves your combo matchup by preventing life loss? And you don't have to run (or at least you're not running) Top, which makes decks slow (but consistent). Well, you can't argue with success, I'll just go ahead and try it myself.

[Hawdes]

@Hawdes list:
I think that you should fit 1 SDT into the main. I don't see a reason for splitting 1 EE and 1 Deed, sure you avoid Pithing Needle but that doesn't matter until games 2 and 3 anyway (and even then, they are gonna be naming Survival first).
-1 ???
-1 Engineered Explosives
+1 SDT
+1 Pernicious Deeds

The reason I run EE is very simple in fact. The meta from where I'm around many people tend to pilot dredge. Just a week ago there were two dredge combo decks in the top 8. The EE gives me a potential chance at a better matchup game 1 and even better games 2 and 3 against it if i pop the EE for zero. It's even faster than Deed and requires less commitment.

Is it really worth running SDT without BoB?

[anarchoelf]

its reported that 2 survival builds made it into the 2nd day of gp chicago. does anyone have those lists? i cant find them anywhere.

[luckymartyr]

Michael Jacob was playing survival on day 2. I don't know his entire list but I am pretty sure he was playing dark confidant, sensei's divining top, aether vile and big game hunter.

[eclipsemonger]

i went 6-2-1 just missing day two from a draw. it sucks. oh well here is who i played against and what they played.

Round 1: (Bye) 1-0
Round 2: Jeff Fredrickson with Eva Green. I win 2-0.
Round 3: David Ochoa with WUBG Counterbalance Control. I lose 1-2.
Round 4: Mike Mueller with BWG Rock. I win 2-1.
Round 5: John Esposito with Affinity. I win 2-1.
Round 6: Dan Chapman with White Stax. I win 2-0.
Round 7: Charles Gindy with WUBG Counterbalance Control. We draw 1-1.
Round 8: Paulo Vitor Damo Da Rosa with WUBG Conterbalance Control. I lose 2-0.
Round 9: Anthony Hickerty with RB Goblins. I win 2-1.

I come in a dissapointing 142nd place. Womp womp womp. Here is the list I played.

1 Genesis
1 Shriekmaw
1 Masticore
1 Wickerbough Elder
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Anger
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Squee
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Rofellos
1 Tin Street Hooligan
1 Quirion Ranger
2 Loxodon Hierarch
2 Eternal Witness
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Birds of Paradise

4 Survival of the Fittest
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Thoughtseize

4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Bayou
3 Taiga
3 Savannah
4 Forest

SB
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Flametongue Kavu
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Yixlid Jailer
2 Tormod's Crypt
3 Krosan Grip
4 Engineered Plague

The night before i had the Chants in the board but cut them for more graveyard hate when all I saw were Ichorid and 41 Land decks in the GPTs. It ended up not making much of a difference. I prob should have had like 2 Grips maindeck, but hindsight is 20/20.

[beastman]

I made day two with basically the same list I posted on the last page, got screwed out of top 64 in the last round, and lost a bunch of matches I should have won.

[Black Mass]

I went 4-2 in Mol, Belgium with the following list in a 57 person tournament

4x taiga
4x bayou
4x windsweapt heath
4x wooded foothills
5x forest

4x tarmogoyf
4x birds of paradise
3x eternal witness
1x masticore
1x faerie macabre
1x squee, goblin nabob
1x genesis
1x anger
1x magus of the moon
1x kitchen finks
1x spike feeder
1x progenitus
1x big game hunter
1x shriekmaw
1x wickerbough elder
1x rofellos, llanowar emissary
1x quirion ranger

4x thoughtseize
3x cabal therapy
3x burning wish

4x survival of the fittest

//sideboard
3x krosan grip
3x engineered plague
1x natural order
1x firespout
1x banefire
1x rolling earthquake
1x hull breach
1x rough/tumble
2x duress
1x tsunami


Progenitus won me a total of 4 games, I didn't get to use the banefire in the side, but it feels quite comforting to be able to win on a alternative way besides beating with creatures.

[beastman]

4 wooded foothills
4 windswept heath
4 taiga
4 bayou
5 forest
4 survival
4 thoughtsieze
4 birds of paradise
4 tarmagoyf
3 burning wish
3 eternal witness
3 cabal therapy
2 shriekmaw
1 big game hunter
1 masticore
1 roffellos
1 quirion ranger
1 anger
1 genesis
1 squee
1 faerie macabre
1 magus of the moon
1 wickerbough elder
1 tin street hooligan
1 spike feeder

SB:
4 krosan grip
4 engineered plague
2 duress
1 rough/tumble
1 chainers edict
1 cabal therapy
1 primal command
1 gleeful sabotage

I played this list to a lame ass 79th place finish. I lost to the dragon stompy player who made top 8 in round 11, and went on tilt for the next round. making day 2 was nice, but a round 6 loss to a terrible zoo player who killed me with turn 1 birds, turn 2 woolly thoctar, turn 3 attack double berserk your dead, completely took away the fun of the tournament.

[johanessen]

creature
1 Academy Rector
3 Birds of Paradise
3 Eternal Witness
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Genesis
1 Harmonic Sliver
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Shriekmaw
1 Spore Frog
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Tarmogoyf

instant
4 Swords to Plowshares

sorcery
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize

enchantment
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
4 Survival of the Fittest

land
2 Bayou
2 Bloodstained Mire
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Swamp
1 Taiga
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard:
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Magus of the Moon
1 Withered Wretch
2 Extirpate
4 Orim's Chant
2 Krosan Grip
1 Mystic Enforcer
1 Vexing Shuser
1 Loaming Shaman


Rock-Rec-Sur

Nice against como meta -game , prepared against ichorid in side board. It's easy to get survival inside with a 1st turn discard.
Academy Rector-Rec.Nightmare gets the deck get fast to beat the oponent with witness, recurring sliver or hierarch against aggro.

I tested this deck and its good. have to test diabolic edict on sideboard to face progenitus. Or maybe Circle of protection/runed halo?? (tutoreable via rector)

[beastman]

So, how many people here played survival at the GP? I made day 2, and I know that there were at least 2 matches that I lost due to serious play mistakes, and I did lose to a turn 3 double berserk on Woolly Thoctar So, all in all, I believe that survival was a great choice for the GP.

[johanessen]

Playing Recurring Nightmare Shriekmaw is a beast, but last days I noticed FLESHBAG MARAUDER was needed against Progenitus... is the best a 1/1 Split?

Thoughts

[Tacosnape]

Playing Recurring Nightmare Shriekmaw is a beast, but last days I noticed FLESHBAG MARAUDER was needed against Progenitus... is the best a 1/1 Split?

Thoughts

I've been doing this forever. I first got it as an answer to Tombstalker. Fleshbag Marauder >> Shriekmaw #2. It's incredible against Progenitus and Tombstalker both.

Run it.

[hungryboi]

I've been doing this forever. I first got it as an answer to Tombstalker. Fleshbag Marauder >> Shriekmaw #2. It's incredible against Progenitus and Tombstalker both.

Run it.

I'm curious, are you running BGH if you've included maurader? What does your creature destruction suit look like? (Masticore, BGH, Shriekmaw, Fleshbag, Flametongue). Does anyone believe Fleshbag is more effective than BGH? What are the pros and cons of these creatures besides the obvious (BGH fetches to survival)?

[bigbear102]

I would def. play the 3 black creatures over FTK if you don't want a full 5 dedicated removal slots. I have to test Fleshbag, but it seems like it might be good.

[Tacosnape]

I'm curious, are you running BGH if you've included maurader? What does your creature destruction suit look like? (Masticore, BGH, Shriekmaw, Fleshbag, Flametongue). Does anyone believe Fleshbag is more effective than BGH? What are the pros and cons of these creatures besides the obvious (BGH fetches to survival)?

I currently run 4 Swords to Plowshares, 1 Shriekmaw, and 1 Fleshbag Marauder. I don't run Masticore because he's way too much of a mana sink to do too little. I don't run Flametongue Kavu because I don't like to be dependent on red mana to cast spells (I run a 4C Survival where Red's strictly for Anger-haste and possibly TSH). And I don't run Big Game Hunter because I'm out of slots, but I want to sneak him in.

That said, if I'm picking two of the three, I'd rather have Fleshbag and Shriekmaw, because between the two of them, there isn't much I'm not going to be able to answer somehow. For example, if I have just Shriekmaw and BGH, I can't fetch an answer to Dark Confidant. And if I have BGH and Fleshbag Marauder, I can have serious trouble with things like Sower of Temptation.

EDIT: FWIW, I've been doing a lot of testing with a pair of Elvish Spirit Guides maindeck, and I sort of like it. It's nice to be able to drop turn one Survivals, dodge Daze, and be able to lead with both a Birds and a Thoughtseize on turn one. Turn one Teeg/Canonist is also nice against combo. It's helped considerably to make the deck not just a hair too slow to deal with a few problems. That said, occasionally they do show up when not needed. So I'll keep you guys posted.

[quicksilver]

Does anyone have a good nick for it? I called it old basket the other day, but that doesn't really have much of a ring to it.

I know this post is a little old but I felt I must say just how horrible this nickname is. I assume you get basket from the fact that some baskets can be made of wicker? Please don't ever call him this again.

[Zach Tartell]

Already taken, dearest Mordel.