[NCD] Lorescale Coatl

[Damnosus]

Do you folks think he could take the place of Rhox War Monk in current U/G/w thresh? RWM is mainly to help improve the aggro matchup, so I am unsure if it is a good switch. Any thoughts?

[Aggro_zombies]

Do you folks think he could take the place of Rhox War Monk in current U/G/w thresh? RWM is mainly to help improve the aggro matchup, so I am unsure if it is a good switch. Any thoughts?

The lifelink is the relevant part of that creature, not so much the body size (which helps). The snake gets big quickly, but isn't anything you'd want to swing with if you're on the defensive.

[Giles]

This card is amazing if this is the final version.

I agree.

[Enigma]

A first draft:


// Lands
4 Polluted Delta
6 Island
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tropical Island

// Kill
4 Wisescale Serpent
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Berserk

// Draw
4 Brainstorm
4 Repeal
3 Predict
4 Ponder
4 Sensei's Divining Top

// Permission
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Counterbalance

Or maybe without CB/TOP and more creatures.


Could be fun to play

[Jander78]

I certainly hope this is not the final wording on the card.

[zulander]

I hope it's not the final wording. The final wording probably says +1/+1 for every drawn card until end of turn.

[Happy Gilmore]

I agree with Zulander, at the very least this doesn't read like an uncommon. The power level is just too high.

[Mayk0l]

I agree with Zulander, at the very least this doesn't read like an uncommon. The power level is just too high.

What, like Counterbalance? Sensei's Divining Top? Cabal Therapy? Nimble Mongoose?


I hope it's real, I've been waiting for a good reason to go back to my roots of UG for a long time now (a way that is not Tarmagoyfery)

[Isamaru]

This can't be right! There must be some mistake.

... It's supposed to have flying.

[Volt]

What, like Counterbalance? Sensei's Divining Top? Cabal Therapy? Nimble Mongoose?


I hope it's real, I've been waiting for a good reason to go back to my roots of UG for a long time now (a way that is not Tarmagoyfery)

I'm trying to think of a deck that you would play Wisescale Serpent in that you wouldn't also play Goyf in. I'm drawing a blank.

[Barook]

If the wording of the card is the final version, it could be a design oversight, just like Tarmogoyf, considering the Cycling subtheme of the set.

I don't think they would print such a potential chase rare as a uncommon intentionally. Sure, there are good cards as a uncommon sometimes (e.g. Eternal Witness), but we also got stuff like Thoughtseize as a rare only for money reasons.

[idraleo]

The final wording is "Put a +1/+1 counter on *this* whenever a spell or ability causes you to draw a card"

The card remains awesome, better in decks that envelop LFTL strategies than in threshold-based

[Aggro_zombies]

The final wording is "Put a +1/+1 counter on *this* whenever a spell or ability causes you to draw a card"

The card remains awesome, better in decks that envelop LFTL strategies than in threshold-based

Brainstorm is still a permanent Giant Growth for this guy, but at least he won't grow on your draw step.

Marginally less retarded, but still really powerful.

EDIT: where are you getting this from?

[idraleo]

other forum where i post, maybe took from mtgsaLvation

[Mayk0l]

I'm trying to think of a deck that you would play Wisescale Serpent in that you wouldn't also play Goyf in. I'm drawing a blank.

No, you're absolutely right. What I meant to say was that Tarmogoyf, lame as it is, didn't feel to me a good reason to go back to UG, my favourite combination of colours. Basically because *every* deck plays Goyf. This creature, being UG in its truest form however, does woo me back to UG because this is pure UG-only awesomeness.
But then, to get back to your point, I'd have to buy Goyfs (again), you're right.

Anyway, if that final wording is the right one, what makes that thing grow in a typical UG Threshlike deck if not the draw step? Brainstorm, Ponder to a (much) lesser extent, maybe Standstill, but what else?

EDIT: I just figured it out, Sensei's Divining Top, it's recurring too. My god. That's cool.

[BreathWeapon]

That's insane, it's more or less a 3cc 2/2 Dryad that gets +1/1 a turn from Sensei's Divining Top, +3/3 a turn from Cephalid Coliseum, turns Brainstorm into Giant Growth AND pitches to Force of Will ... wow ...

At least it's a reason to run Night Whispers, that's for damn sure.

[DireLemming]

Anyway, if that final wording is the right one, what makes that thing grow in a typical UG Threshlike deck if not the draw step? Brainstorm, Ponder to a (much) lesser extent, maybe Standstill, but what else?

In this case Sylvan Library is probably better than Standstill.

[etrigan]

The final wording is "Put a +1/+1 counter on *this* whenever a spell or ability causes you to draw a card"

The card remains awesome, better in decks that envelop LFTL strategies than in threshold-based

If this is the wording, Brainstorm, Sylvan Library, Standstill, etc. would only give one +1/+1 counter. If that's the case, I dont see this card making the cut.

e: The way I see it, it triggers when a spell or ability causes you to draw a card, and that would only trigger once, because there's only one spell or ability that fits that condition. Drawing multiple cards would not affect that. I dont see the connection to Mind's Eye, as Mind's Eye specifically refers to individual card draws.

[MattH]

If this is the wording, Brainstorm, Sylvan Library, Standstill, etc. would only give one +1/+1 counter. If that's the case, I dont see this card making the cut.

I'm pretty sure that's not true, even with the "Put a +1/+1 counter on *this* whenever a spell or ability causes you to draw a card" wording. An existing card with a similar effect is Mind's Eye.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...iverseid=48919

[Nightmare]

-4 Nimble Mongoose
+4 this guy.

Deck complete. Thanks for upgrading my threat base in the last few blocks, Wizards. Thresh just went from crazy good to RETARDED. Also, more 3cc guys just makes CB better.