This new Ichorid list is full of win.
I'm 13-1-2 in matches in the two tournaments I've run the new list.
A few thoughts:
- Greater Gargadon is the most annoying card in the deck for your opponents. They literally can't remove your Bridges without some kind of Crypt/Relic/etc. After several turns of frustration, you beat their faces in with a hasty 9/7. I was never unhappy to see one in my opening hand.
- I was not a big fan of replacing Cephalid Sage with Eternal Witness, but I'm starting to come around. I was able to win the semi-finals by getting back a Gemstone Mine to play Firestorm and kill a Lorescale Coatl and a Sower of Tempation stealing a Narcomoeba while dealing my opponent three crucial points of damage.
- In the second tournament, I ran the fourth Thug over the main-decked Firestorm and moved the fourth Firestorm to the board over a Wispmare. I really don't see the purpose of the singleton Firestorm in the main deck, and I was grateful for the extra dredger/Ichorid fodder all day. In the fifteen matches I played, I only ran into one deck with Leyline of the Void. The card isn't prevalent in most metas, and while it's game over if we can't remove it, I don't think we need to make subpar sideboard choices because we're afraid of a ghost.
Originally Posted by Skeggi
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...you can dig for the Firestorm with your Witness, beause Firestorm is always almost in your Graveyard...
It helps a lot against Zoo, Merfolk and Goblins, but on the other hand, you should win the first game anyway, so it's generally not needed...
I play the 3rd Dread Return in the random slot, and I'm very happy with it.
My Board plays the 4th Firestorm, because I can't see any sense in the 4th Unmask in the Sideboard.
Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells
:16:- (See, now Erratic Explosion's a deck)
Legendary Creature - Horror
Haste, Hexproof, Double Strike, Trample
Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells is indestructible.
Permanents you control can't be sacrificed or copied.
Whenever Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells attacks, defending player gets liver cancer (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)
13/13
Both Dread Return and Thug are good replacements for the main deck Firestorm; as is Unmask. I had it there due to a huge contingent of Merfolk and Zoo decks locally. That is the one slot that rotates. I'm really glad to see someone having success with the deck as-is though. As I've said before; with this version, changing even a few cards will screw up the entire way it can/will play.
I still have the room for Wispmare, so I'll keep it. While I agree that Leyline is rarely seen, it is a game-breaker, and Wispmare is very good against enchantments in general. Mainly decks you don't normally worry about containing Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, and/or Elephant Grass. This deck can't always get the mana to pay for a Troll attack through these. Moat is even rarer, but even harder to win through if it hits.
~ Team Unicorn Motto
I got a -pro for wispmare, i played my led-less ichorid at a tournament a while ago and got pared again red death. I lose game 1 due to a huge playmistake (shit happens, was first time with ichorid in general) And g2 i start, he goes bang leyline i go mine chain of vapor it. I wish i had a wispmare there, next turn he goes badlands, dark ritual replay it, play mogg fanatic... me GG
Im playing this list atm, only think is that i play a full set of unmasks MD in stead of the firestorm. Great list
thanks, Maarten
In the "random slot" i run a land...paradise if you want. I don't know what to say...i just feel confortable. At first i started with a 11 lands mana base with 4x coliseum. Then i changed to 12 with no much conviction cutting the 3rd return and i got used to it. Is this suboptimal??
People have been talking about Brainstorm over Breakthrough (not replacing but complementing) in non-LED dredge. I think it's worth considering since it allows us to dig for lands, and puts Narcomoebas back from hand to library, and dredges 3 times when we have a discard outlet.
I'm wondering whether it's a good idea to test it out. Not to mention it's instant speed to boot, making it a ton better. But we're more prone to Chalice@1.
Sorry, but non led dredge has it own thread!
I know! I was wondering if Brainstorm is good in LED-versions, to draw into lands and to dredge when needed.
I have tested brainstorm in LED ichorid and running 1 alongside the 4 breakthrough's is fine. I don't think you should ever be running more than 1 unless you plan on replacing breakthroughs, but that makes no sense in LED ichorid since you want to win as fast as possible.
I agree. Breakthough means 4 dredged cards and back to the yard, it's a powerfull fuel for comboing off.
It's good to see someone other than myself doing well in recorded tournaments with this version of the deck.
Three of the last four Ichorid lists from deckcheck.net:
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=27427
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=27511
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=27520
I really like the one with a simple switch of Unmask for Tireless Tribe. In any environment without Painter or Storm Combo it's probably an excellent choice.
~ Team Unicorn Motto
I thought the same respect to tribe for unmask. That version is almost mine's with the diference that i run the unmasks and a paradise for a colisseum.
The advantage of unmask is the data about the match in a "blind" metagame.
Has everyone seen this list?
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=27638
thoughts?
I playtested it a little, but it just didn't flow that well to me.
What about this coming card??
Burning Inquiry
Cost: R
Sorcery Common
Each player draws three cards, then discards three cards at random.
I have seen it, and other than the fact that it appears on DeckCheck, and runs LED, as basically all the Legacy Ichorid decks that have actually done well in a tournament that appear on DeckCheck do, it doesn't seem to have much going for it. But when your Top 8 is Landstill, 9-color Fish, Aggro-Loam, and Burn, it shouldn't be difficult for any Ichorid deck to win
~ Team Unicorn Motto
First, the new primer is really good. I do want to point out that Brainstorm was minimally touched on and a big part of the card's usefulness was ignored. Brainstorm can be played to good success if used properly. For instance, I've used it to put Narcs back on top of my library to dredge into play. I've hid stuff from Duress (some people opt to leave it in their MD when going first against Ichorid) with it, and it digs 3 cards down to find answers while still giving you +1 CA.
I'm not trying to be critical, just helpful. I know it's not a choice most players opt for when playing this list, but I want people who play this to understand it's not a wrong choice, just an unpopular one. It can be used to good effect, though, in the right metagame.
Pce,
--DC
Schadenfreude is the most genuine kind of joy, since it doesn't include even a drop of envy.Why can't we just admit it?
I remember this deck used to be a DTB. Why isn't it anymore? Is this not a powerful, Tier 1 deck?
It's not played enough to be a deck to beat. And you have to be a good player to get results with it. Parcher is one of the only people Ive ever seen play the deck almost flawlessly on a consistent basis.
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Ichorid isn't that hard to play- the deck is incredibly linear. The hardest choice is whether you should mulligan or not, at least Game 1. Playing around hate is the big one though. Especially since there are so many different cards you have to deal with and different answers for each. Needle is good against Crypt but crap against Leyline.
That can't be the only reason though. I think people don't take it seriously or perhaps they just hate to play the deck or whatever.
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