Not really. Chalice at 1 hurts more since it instantly kills 1/3 of the deckOriginally Posted by Mystical_Jackass
TES do have outs for chalice such as shattering spree in the wishboard. You could also pack 3 sprees after boarding assuming you allot 4 of them in your SB.
As for the counter top matchup, it pretty much sucks preboarding. After sideboarding, the matchup is still an uphill battle but it's not unwinnable
@BreatheWeapon mainly:
Well Regarding to the M10 rules , definately Mystical is not the way, no more tricks anyway, I really think the B.Weapon approach is the correct, I have never played a build with A.N in which after playing A.N I had received as litle damage as the B.Weapon build , the other day I tryed the B.Cook list and I lost Post A.N with 17 lifes กกก not acceptable.
I suggestion to your build is -1 Shattering Spree +1 MeltDown (trust me is priceless if with 2 trinis in play and 1 chalice is the ONLY way of winning , situation I have lived...),
another point I prefer playing 4 pyroblast intead 3 Empty the warrens.
A question , which is your game plan if you do not have infernal tutor or A.N in order to win around turn 3 , you 're supposed you do have burning in hand?
I have also thinking in playing cunning wish, main deck now with the m10 rules, it can provide you both A.N and cabal ritual , an issue I miss from burning which can not provide a.N and Either any mana acceleration.
the difference between cunin and I.Tutor are just 1 mana.
Do you boys know any other good tutor apart from burning and I.Tutor?
Turn 3+ with Burning Wish = Diminshing Returns, unless you know your opponent can't handle Goblin tokens.
Yeah, I love my build, it's so redundant; about all I ever change is Land # 11 vs 4th MD Duress and SB Cabal Therapy or SB Rite of Flame for the same thing, not certain either is worth it tho'.
New card spoiled:
Solemn Offering 2W
Sorcery
Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You gain 4 life.
Can it be SB material? It's easier on the manabase than Vindicate or Maelstron Pulse.
The lifegain might matter: when you're casting Burning Wish, then next turn you play the wished cards, ready to go off the turn after, the opponent is beating your face with a Goyf for something like 10-15 dmg.
Those 4 life might matter for ad nauseam and act like a fog effect against counterbalance decks, while destroying the namesake of the deck.
It's also easier on the manabase than Vindicate and Pulse, but doesn't remove critters (unless we're talking about Canonist)
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The problem tho' is paying for Burning Wish and then paying for Solemn Offering is at least two turns. Burning Wish for 1cc removal lets you go off the same turn you cast it, so you essentially save the 4 life by not giving your opponent a Time Walk.
It can be a good strategy, but it cannot save your ass from CB, and that sometimes your removal won't work (eg. Simplify vs enchantress).
The 1cc solution works for someone, but not for everyone. What I'm interested in knowing is if people currently running Vindicate/Pulse will play Solemn Offering instead or not, and why.
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I think it's really solid. A good replacement for Vindicate/Maelstrom pulse, the lifegain should matter with City of Brass and attacking dudes. If I had that slot back to the sideboard it'd be this card.
As for cutting Mystical. The people doing this are losing consistency and a Tinder Wall won't make up for it. Find a suitable replacement, but don't pretend its Tinderwall. Adding mana is nothing like finding a card.
I might add a 4th mystical as now we'll need them to find either dark rit or rite of flame to get out ad nauseam (or if we already have the accel and no ad nauseam to find that).
This is a poor idea. With Mystical becoming worse with the M10 rules I'm cutting them down to two. But it's still necessary to find the cards you need in the maindeck.
Redundancy is just as good as consistency, I was M.Tutoring for acceleration more than anything else, adding more acceleration let me just go off instead of wasting a turn and a card searching for said acceleration.
I know we constantly bicker about shit, but seriously the deck and the card run fine together - especially when your SB plan is to unload with ETW vs Counter Balance decks.
what are you putting in place of the 3rd mystical?
That's definitely a good question. I'm testing the 4th Ponder, but personally i find that 3 is the correct number. Ponder is a good card that lets you stack and know your future draws , which is crucial in terms of gettint the right cards to go off; furthermore, the shuffle effect matters.
But, on the other side, it's a card that, differently from brainstorm, the majority of the times is kinda slow and subpar if it shows in multiple copies; with braintorm you can build a perfect hand drawing the right card and putting back the unnedded, with ponder you just draw one and wait, or shuffle and expose to "randomicity".
That's why I advocate that we shouldn't run more than 3; i know 4 sound more solid and "square", but believe me that drawing double ponder slows down the first turns, when we'd usually want to finish the game.
At this point, may i suggest a single Cabal Ritual back ? Even if it's Snarable, antisynergic with Returns (which is kinda marginal,imo), ecc,ecc, it's still a mediocre-to-godish acceleration that may balance the departure of the LED trick, which forces us to rely A LOT more on accels-->IT/Wish+LED route., i.e. more mana necessary.
[Ah, for the sake of information, yesterday i attended my first 40-men tourney with TES. I went 3-3, being paired against 2 Counterbalance.decs, 2 Dragon Stompy, 1 UGR Faeries (not really known but here in Italy it's spreading like shit.. think at a canadian threshold without mongooses, the 4th copy of each stifle, snare, daze, ecc.., and with Spellstutters, Manlands and Standstill replacing those cards), and a Zoo. Yes, bad matchups as usual. The losses where quite close, though: against the CB dec, i managed to pull off Nauseam even with CB on the field. Since he had a land on top, and i revealed many 0cc accel and a pyroblast, all i needed to reveal was a gemstone to blast CB, and win. I was at 2 life. Of course i reveal Ill-Gotten Gains.
Against Dragon Stompy, i go turn 1 duress, taking the only card that could harm me really, Trinisphere. He topdecks Chalice, sets it for one, and proceeds fucking me. Against faeries, quick beats in the 1st match + the 2nd where he Misdirects my Chant (!), and the turn after Stutters my 2nd chant, Stutters my Wish, Forces my LED, and Dazes my BWish leaving me with 2 mana only for grapeshot, just killed me.
Overall, i lost because of opponents' strokes of luck. I feel the deck is pretty much optimized till now ( i played Bryant's list except for -1 mox, +1 BMire), and i used the LED-Nauseam trick only once. I hope I won't miss that trick very much even in future times.]
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I already run the 4th ponder over igg, should i add igg since its harder to ad nauseam and take out the 4th ponder or the 3rd mystical?
I'm looking to cut an Ad Nauseam, Mystical and an Orim's Chant. To add 2x Silence and a 4th Ponder. I play Ill-Gotten Gains maindeck.
Why would you cut a Chant for a Silence? Why lose the ability to fog someone when necessary? Are you that scared of Meddling Mage?
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Silence does it's trick against Runed Halo too.
But I agree, its pretty situational.
Team Legal Actions.
ANd i don't believe 5 chants and a single Nauseam is the way to go. 7 Protection spells are enough, plus increasing the count of white spells could harm with 3 non-white duals.
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Being able to Infernal Tutor for a second copy matters against control. That and threat density (Mage, Halo, Therapy, ect..)
@BratheWeapon mainly :
- There are sometimes in which your hand doesn't have A.N OR B.Wish or I.tutor and even advancing in the deck with ponder
or brainstorm you don't find it.
- there are sometimes mana base really sucks , as well in B.Cook list.
- It's supposed that if you do not play IGG , tendrils is as useless as IGG , because it's quite difficult to get storm 10 counters
whitouth any high draw spell.
- If we play burning , we should do not put in main any sorcerys of any kind
- Now we can't use M.Tutor we have to get up the number of A.Nauseam.
Well I propose this :
Lands
4 [AN] City of Brass
4 [WL] Gemstone Mine
2 U.Sea
2 V.Island
Spells
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [TE] Dark Ritual
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [US] Duress
4 [PS] Orim's Chant
Sideboard
1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
2 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
1 C.Therapy
3 [IA] Pyroblast
1 [PS] Simplify
1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
2 [GP] Shattering Spree
1 [AL] Diminishing Returns
1 [10E] Deathmark
1 Channel of the suns
1 Meltdown
Opinions ?
So... you pack it to Meddling Mage naming Burning Wish?
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