I have the AN ones too trust me. I ran those first. I'm just trying to foil out my spells, and my duals are already signed from when i went to Chicago, so I'm moving on up. Tarmogoyfs will probably just be foreign. I don't have that much money. I've got a Russian one thanks to a buddie of mine so far. I'm gonna invest in foil Jittes because they aren't that expensive, and i've got other Jittes to trade in for em. I'll post my list with the pimpness factor included eventually lol.Originally Posted by jimmerz213
Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
-Robocop-
I got my helix's signed by Craig Jones.
If you dont get that reference look here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t0pzLnSWw0
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Drago, my response about D&T was pretty concise and entirely truthful. Not to be too tactless here, but There is no other way to say it. The fact that you have yet to grasp its meaning indicates to me that I am casting pearls before swine.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
I don't understand why you posted something about D&T when I asked about Zoo. Yes, I understand you think Path is good in D&T, but I wasn't asking or talking about D&T.
In any case, what details can you give me about using it in Zoo. Examples of how it was good/bad in matchups vs other DTB/DTW/ATW/Rogue decks / etc.
Someone mentioned it being bad vs Goblins which I agree, but Zoo stomps goblins anyways so I wonder how much of a difference it made.
Yea i watched that video when they posted it on the magic website. Like i've loved Zoo since those days. I always wanted to get the duals and play that deck. So now that i have old school duals and an almost foiled deck, I'm going apeshit haha. That deck is also where my affinity for Watchwolf came around <3I got my helix's signed by Craig Jones
If you dont get that reference look here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t0pzLnSWw0
Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
-Robocop-
You guys are almost too much to believe.this statement > entire discussion
I almost want to let DragoFireHeart go on longer. But I can't take it any more. Dude, the guy was using it on his own creatures.
I love it when Tacosnape reads me Seuss. It's the sodomy I don't like.
... in Death and Taxes, not Zoo.
Path and Swords are both way too tame. More aggression. More Fire. More ROAR. This is all you need http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebInqG1pJI
I'm going to see them in October when they come to Atlanta. It'll be my first time seeing em so I'm really fucking excited. I got like REALLY good tickets too.
But anywho, an Exile creature spell, is worth 3 spots...
Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
-Robocop-
hellz yeah. I haven't seen them live since...mid 90's. Enjoy the show. And yeah, 3 spots is all I've got for PtE. No room for StP at all. That includes both Swords to Plowshares and Stone Temple Pilots.
I've been drinking and typing is a total pain in the ass right now...backspace key waaay to often.
Yeah dude like my friend's like Stone Temple Pilots and they always use STP when referring to them, so I'm like omg magic references. And then when we're at fast food, I'm like, McChicken, splash mayo.
Uhhhhh
Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
-Robocop-
...splash mayo...rotfl
I guess if you were splashing lettuce they would throw in a side of tarmogoyf?
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
Sounds like some spicy Mexican bean or something.
I'll be out of town for like 2 weeks or so, so that means no Source time. I hope you lovely idiots of mine don't start another STP or Aether Vial argument.
Enjoy one less know it all asshole for a few weeks. Peace.
Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
-Robocop-
Enjoy 'Tallica in Oct! - Rumor has it that danish Volbeat are takin' care of the warmup in the States? (Nice Lightning reference btw, Umbowta!)
Metallica decided to throw 5 gigs in Copenhagen.. I saw the first CPH concert on this tour a couple of days ago. Entertaining as always though the sound could have been improved. They played in the round, and I haven't experienced that before. So I guess it was pretty ok.
I'm going again tomorrow. ;)
I had HUGE expectations on behalf of Mastodon (who's doing the warmup together with Lamb of God) - It ended up being a HUGE dissappointment though.. The worst sound ever!
Later on I was told that they often perform poorly. Both sound and enthusiasm lacks. Sad.. - Because in the studio they a musical geniuses!
..Ohh.. Back on topic. I've played zoo for a long period of time now. Used to play Swords but (ofcourse(?)) made the switch to Path once it was printed.
In my eyes this slot is dedicated to "clearing the way" for critters to beat face! Swords then acts like a semi-fog a doesn't serve it's purpose right (making sure we deal ~20 dmg). Both cards are better mid-late game than early on. But as mentioned - we have burn for the "lesser beings" (= x/1-3's).
I can see how giving a control deck a basic can be an issue. BUT they rarely have any critters to remove in the first place. I might even side out my Path game 2-3 to side in hate and try to run through any defences (even though I know my opponent might side in a playset of Goyfs).
The discussion is completely valid. And this might even come down to personal preference - You can argue that people play the deck differently and thus make different decisions with their in-hand removal.
This, however, should not impare the discussion on which card is the most viable card in the deck. But it can serve as an explanation as to why some opt to play StP over PtE!
I choose PtE since too often StP costs me a turn or maybe even two. I don't experience PtE doing the same. It's easier to stabilize because of +4-6 life than to stabilize because of a basic land. This is my experience anyway..
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Control decks might not have creatures but I have heard aggro control decks might play one or two. Which, as the most popular deck in the format, it a pretty big detail you have seemed to gloss over.
If you really want to restart this arguement please read the last pages in the thread to get upto date in what we have already discussed. Pro swords players see the fact that you cannot reliably burn out a turn two goyf, and you do not want to cast path on turn two, as a primary selling point to not playing path.
Path players just see the life total difference and remember the games where it mattered, which may or may not be enough to disclude swords.
The whole point being you want to cast your creautre removal before your burn to kill creautres. The added life just becomes something you have to play through. You do not want to push the non beatdown deck into a better controling position.
Finally, swords players play the full set, lath players play three. Figure out why.
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
Guys, remember when I said we should run both STP and PtE (joking of course).
Well...
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=28003
...someone did. I laughed when I saw this.
...
I really like that list.
I really really like the creature base, I think I may try out the ranger and see how he does. There are some concerns for me about the rest of the deck though.
Is 2x Chain Lightning really better than 2 more Helix? Or even a pair of Jittes? Maybe its just me loving lightning helix but personally Ive had more game saves from Helix than Chain ever gave me and Jitte is just solid.
And the land base seems really vulnerable to me, with that many fetch lands and so few actual mana producers, it just seems like it could be ruined by wastelands. Ive always liked having more mana producers than fetch's myself but if thats not everyones thing, thats cool.
I play Chain Lightning instead of Lightning Helix in my deck, because it simply costs 1 mana less, letting me drop another creature with the extra mana.
I never had any issues with aggro racing me for life, since you normaly have enough creatures. Jitte is more of a sideboard card when you face lots of Goblins or something like that in your meta.
Merfolk should never be a problem, even without Jittes.
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