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    Quote Originally Posted by FoulQ View Post
    It's about time they printed a completely unplayable planeswalker, IMO. Even original Chandra had potential.
    Yeah, at least Lorwyn Chandra can kill one or two creatures before she dies. Nissa forces Elvish Warriors onto your decklist while you kick and scream in agony. Neat.

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    Infact, they had to improve her cleavage on the card art to give her at least one redeeming factor. Just compare it with her full art:

    http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/da..._Nissawide.jpg

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    Re: [ZEN] Rumor Mill

    Zendikar already has fetchies and some pretty nice cards and now you also want to have a planeswalker which could be way too strong? I think the card is good as it is. We wont see her in tourney play, but a nice card for casuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flrn View Post
    Zendikar already has fetchies and some pretty nice cards and now you also want to have a planeswalker which could be way too strong? I think the card is good as it is. We wont see her in tourney play, but a nice card for casuals.
    You're completely right that we're getting far too many juicy things that legitimately complain about her, but I'm still a bit disappointed. She's just so incredibly biased towards Timmy. The rest of the planeswalkers tend to cater a bit to Timmy with flashy ultimates, while being playable cards for Spike through having "useful now" +1 and -1 abilities. Nissa does nothing that Elves can't do in better ways already, she's every bit a Timmy card and I think they could have done a better design of it.

    I think I'd be okay with her if she was either incredibly restrictive in her uses or a complete Timmy card, but she's both. She only works in one type of deck and she's not even impressive at it. That's not setting off the level of, "Wow, cool!" that I think planeswalkers deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Infact, they had to improve her cleavage on the card art to give her at least one redeeming factor. Just compare it with her full art:

    http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/da..._Nissawide.jpg
    HA! Good catch, I never would have noticed that.

    The demon guy seems like it would be nuts with fetches and Exploration. At five mana, he's a little pricey, but Exploration, Mox Diamond, and Life from the Loam all grease the wheels of his casting. Could be an interesting addition to Aggro Loam as a replacement for Terravore - guy who doesn't care about the graveyard, gets big, and can burn someone to death in a couple turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Infact, they had to improve her cleavage on the card art to give her at least one redeeming factor. Just compare it with her full art:

    http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/da..._Nissawide.jpg
    It was the other way around; she had the cleavage initially but the ESRB thought the cleavaged Nissa was too risque for the Duel of the Planeswalkers game so they had Wizards tone it down.

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    Re: [ZEN] Rumor Mill

    From SCG:



    Extremely powerful effect, but the charge time simply sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
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    Extremely powerful effect, but the charge time simply sucks.
    Man, if it wasn't SIX counters I would love this card. Still... maybe in combination with honden of the seeing winds, you could do something with this? ;\ man, I really wanna try to bust this card, but it doesn't seem very feasible.

    Edit// Or in combination with Sygg, River Guide and some lightning bolts, you could charge it up in 3 turns? I'm probably putting too much thought into this since it'd be too hard to break to be worth playing, but still, it just seems so powerful. ;\

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION View Post
    Man, if it wasn't SIX counters I would love this card. Still... maybe in combination with honden of the seeing winds, you could do something with this? ;\ man, I really wanna try to bust this card, but it doesn't seem very feasible.

    Edit// Or in combination with Sygg, River Guide and some lightning bolts, you could charge it up in 3 turns? I'm probably putting too much thought into this since it'd be too hard to break to be worth playing, but still, it just seems so powerful. ;\
    Problem is no mater what it takes 6 turns. Even if you draw 20 cards in a turn, it's one counter.

    Only way to "cheat" it is to double quest counters. Doubling Beacon found a deck?

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    My biggest problem with Nissa: The ultimate ability on a planeswalker should not lose to Moment's Peace.

    Definitely not a card for competitive players since there is absolutely no reason to ever run this over Garruk. Would have been nice to see if she was competitive at 1GG, but we'll never get that chance now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    My biggest problem with Nissa: The ultimate ability on a planeswalker should not lose to Moment's Peace.
    What? Nissa just dumps creatures into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    My biggest problem with Nissa: The ultimate ability on a planeswalker should not lose to Moment's Peace.
    The Ultimate of Tezz loses to Moment's peace too.
    Still, it's an awful Planeswalker.
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    I like Nissa. I think she'll be excellent in casual games. I wouldn't like it if too many cards in one set would be Legacy-viable. So far we've got Fetchlands, Instigator, and some other random stuff that may see play. If we do get all five enemy Fetchlands; we're at six Legacy playable rares already. I don't need any more incentive to buy the set to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Shakuras View Post
    Problem is no mater what it takes 6 turns. Even if you draw 20 cards in a turn, it's one counter.

    Only way to "cheat" it is to double quest counters. Doubling Beacon found a deck?
    More like Clockspinning, which is on-color.

    That enchantment will be broken as fuck in EDH, but only in duels or in decks that can cheat on the counters. Also, Nissa is going right into my Harem Elf deck.

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    @ 2 arts of Nissa:
    Her chest is no dought attractive and very fuckable, but looks out of place, so I like X-Box version more.

    On the other side, the direction is right: from tiny glimpse of female flesh to light erotic to naked boys&girls to hardcore pornography. Just imagine:
    No need to buy/download loads of pornfilms 'cause you can masturbate on Magic!
    You can play M:tG with your girlfriend with awesome results!
    And you can make lots of cash by illegaly selling Magic to kids!!
    <edit>And you will never ever say something like "he owned me pretty bad" because his deck plays some realy huge beatsticks.</edit>

    So go-go Wizards, make it real!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eq.firemind View Post
    @ 2 arts of Nissa:
    Her chest is no dought attractive and very fuckable, but looks out of place, so I like X-Box version more.

    On the other side, the direction is right: from tiny glimpse of female flesh to light erotic to naked boys&girls to hardcore pornography. Just imagine:
    No need to buy/download loads of pornfilms 'cause you can masturate on Magic!
    You can play M:tG with your girlfriend with awesome results!
    And you can make lots of cash by illegaly selling Magic to kids!!

    So go-go Wizards, make it real!
    OMG it's just a card. I can't imagine what may happen if you (I hope for you it has already happened) meet with a real human female. It's hard for me to think about someone and his girlfriend playing MTG instead of doing "the bad touch". Of course the scene I imagine involves



    But that's what a twisted mind would think. Talking seriously, Nissa sucks. If she sucks c***s in hell, that's none of my business. As a card, she sucks. It's a Legacy Forum, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Devil View Post
    I can't imagine what may happen if you (I hope for you it has already happened) meet with a real human female.
    HUMAN? FEMALE?? YUM-YUM, SOUNDS EDIBLE!!

    By the way, all 3 ZEN planeswalkers are not good for Legacy.
    And Ob Nixilis looks very nice as a finisher in some Exploration/Loam/Crucible deck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eq.firemind View Post
    HUMAN? FEMALE?? YUM-YUM, SOUNDS EDIBLE!!

    By the way, all 3 ZEN planeswalkers are not good for Legacy.
    And Ob Nixilis looks very nice as a finisher in some Exploration/Loam/Crucible deck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenOne View Post
    Isn't lord of extintion better here?
    Lord has to attack, whereas this new dude doesn't need to. Also, that would be damage and this is life loss. A little different, but a little more difficult to prevent/stop. More "combo" like in that one could "go off" and not give their opponent another turn to respond. All hypothetical of course.

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    Re: [ZEN] Rumor Mill

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenOne View Post
    Isn't lord of extinction better here?
    Also, a non-grave dependent card in loam seems wise. (never mind that he's better with loam running...) I think that loam can support a 5cc threat, there just isn't one worth playing. A 5 drop which burns for 6 and swings for 9 the turn after you cast it seems fucking brutal.
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