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    [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    In my quest for an underplayed general who doesn't suck in multiplayer games, I came across Nath of the Gilt-Leaf. It wasn't so much his discard ability that drew me in, but his token generating ability. I started bulding the deck as a sort of Rock/Board control deck that would use Nath's token-making with strong board control elements based around gaining advantage from sacrificing/destroying tokens instead of permanents. Not only can the deck beat with an army of tokens, it can lock multiple players out of the game and it even has a combo finish that can kill all your opponents, making it a powerful choice in multiplayer and one-on-one EDH.

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    Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Lands: (37)

    Gilt-Leaf Palace
    Twilight Mire
    Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    Terramorphic Expanse
    Tainted Wood
    Volrath's Stronghold
    Forest
    Overgrown Tomb
    Golgari Rot Farm
    Gaea's Cradle
    Jund Panorama
    Llanowar Wastes
    3 Swamp
    Bayou
    Verdant Catacombs
    Wooded Foothills
    Marsh Flats
    Misty Rainforest
    Windswept Heath
    Polluted Delta
    Bloodstained Mire
    Shizo, Death's Storehouse
    Strip Mine
    Wasteland
    4 Snow-Covered Forest
    3 Snow-Covered Swamp
    Cabal Coffers
    Pendelhaven
    Bojuka Bog
    Dryad Arbor

    Acceleration: (9)

    Elvish Archdruid
    Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    Priest of Titania
    Joraga Treespeaker
    Elves of Deep Shadow
    Primeval Titan
    Garruk Wildspeaker
    Sol Ring
    Mana Crypt

    Token Generators: (6)

    Creakwood Liege
    Spawnwrithe
    Verdant Force
    Grave Titan
    Bitterblossom
    Squirrel Nest

    Board Control/Removal: (10)

    Braids, Cabal Minion
    Grave Pact
    Smokestack
    Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
    Sheoldred, Whispering One
    Nullmage Shepherd
    Maelstrom Pulse
    Beast Within
    Gleeful Sabotage
    Putrefy

    Discard: (3)

    Sadistic Hypnotist
    Myojin of Night's Reach
    Painful Quandary

    Card Draw/Selection: (9)

    Graveborn Muse
    Skullclamp
    Anvil of Bogardan
    Sensei's Divining Top
    Memory Jar
    Phyrexian Arena
    Necropotence
    Geth's Grimoire
    Scroll Rack

    Tutors: (13)

    Demonic Tutor
    Diabolic Tutor
    Liliana Vess
    Vampiric Tutor
    Grim Tutor
    Diabolic Intent
    Worldly Tutor
    Crop Rotation
    Sylvan Tutor
    Defense of the Heart
    Beseech the Queen
    Green Sun's Zenith
    Praetor's Grasp

    Graveyard Recursion: (5)

    Eternal Witness
    Recollect
    Regrowth
    Yawgmoth's Will
    Crucible of Worlds

    Misc/Combo Pieces: (7)

    Earthcraft
    Eldrazi Monument
    Exsanguinate
    Leyline of the Void
    Helm of Obedience
    Bloodchief Ascension
    Mindcrank

    Key Combos:

    Nath of the Gilt-Leaf + Sadistic Hypnotist = Your opponents discard their hands and you get lots of Elf Warrior tokens.

    Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest = Infinite Squirrel tokens.

    Nath of the Gilt-Leaf + Memory Jar = You get seven new cards to play with and seven Elf Warrior tokens for each opponent at the end of your turn.

    Mindcrank + Bloodchief Ascension = Whenever an opponent puts a card in their graveyard or takes damage they lose their library.

    Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void = , tap: Exile target player's library.

    The basic strategy is to get out Nath of the Gilt Leaf and Sadistic Hypnotist as fast as you can. It's pretty hard to lose when your opponents have no cards in hand and you have ten or so elves. Alternatively you want to get a token generator and a lock piece and shut out your opponents. There are numerous combinations of cards that can accomplish this.

    Take one of these...

    Creakwood Liege
    Grave Titan
    Spawnwrithe
    Verdant Force
    Bitterblossom
    Squirrel Nest
    Garruk Wildspeaker
    Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    ...and add one of these

    Braids, Cabal Minion
    Sheoldred, Whispering One
    Smokestack

    What do I tutor for?

    On the first few turns of the game, you usually want to tutor for acceleration. Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, and Gaea's Cradle are the usual suspects. Once you have Nath of the Gilt Leaf, you're probably going to want Sadistic Hypnotist. Otherwise, it's pretty self explanatory; if you need mana get Gaea's Cradle or Priest of Titania, if you have half a combo, find the other half.
    Last edited by Kuma; 05-06-2011 at 06:05 PM.
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    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    I never thought I'd see a B/G highlander deck that doesn't play deed.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by beastman View Post
    I never thought I'd see a B/G highlander deck that doesn't play deed.
    I'd run it, except that it's really bad when you're trying to make lots of tokens.

    Then again, maybe you're right. It can't hurt to have a reset button for when things go terrible. I'll have to think about what to cut, unless you have a suggestion.
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    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    I'm not saying the deck needs it, it does seem pretty bad in the deck, I'm just saying that a B/G deck almost always seems to be all about board control.

    If you want to go for a token deck, I'd suggest finding a general with red as well to allow for goblin assault, SGC, and the extremely underrated torrent of souls. Seriously, that card wins games on its own.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Eh, I could have made this a Kresh deck, which would have given me access to Survival of the Fittest and a few other cards, but I'd lose the ability to always have Nath.

    There are plenty of good token generators in green --- I don't need red for tokens.

    Tokens are really more of a means to an end, the end being cards like Contamination, Braids, and Smokestack. Of course there's the random Sadistic Hypnotist + Nath + Coat of Arms = I win.
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    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    CTRL-F sees a disturbing lack of Geth's Grimoire.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by MattH View Post
    CTRL-F sees a disturbing lack of Geth's Grimoire.
    The more I think about it, the more I realize Geth's Grimoire is better than Skullmulcher.

    - Skullmulcher
    + Geth's Grimoire

    Edited opening post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    What about Nezumi Bonereader, the Pox/SmallPox/Deathcloud or even Mind Twist/Mind Warp... Syphon Mind if you play multiplayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    What about Nezumi Bonereader, the Pox/SmallPox/Deathcloud or even Mind Twist/Mind Warp... Syphon Mind if you play multiplayer.
    I'm on the fence about Nezumi Bonereader. He's kind of limited as a discard engine, and his reanimation, while repeatable and not limited to my graveyard, is expensive. It doesn't help his case that I cut Chainer, Dementia Master from my list as well.

    The problem with Pox/Smallpox/Death Cloud, is that I'm probably hurting myself the most with Pox and Death Cloud. I usually have way more creatures than most EDH decks, and I really hate to lose my lands. Also, with all the other discard, I'd likely lose more cards than my opponents.

    Smallpox is the only one I'd consider running, and it's really just an expensive Innocent Blood most of the time with the added downsides of hurting my mana and pissing everyone off.

    I don't run Mind Twist or Mind Warp because I mostly use this deck for multiplayer, and there are much more efficient ways to make my opponents discard in multiplayer.

    Syphon Mind is another card I'm on the fence about. If I played in more 5-6 man multiplayer games, I'd definitely run it, but most of the games I've played recently have had 2-4 players. I can't justify it as an expensive "draw two."
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    I'd say you'd want to add Words of Waste and Sylvan library.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbaman View Post
    I'd say you'd want to add Words of Waste and Sylvan library.
    I had Words of Waste, and it was almost always a dead card. There are better ways to make your opponents discard, ways that don't involve skipping draws.

    Sylvan Library is an interesting suggestion. I'll take it under consideration.

    Changes to list:

    - Mycoloth
    - Kodama's Reach
    - Coat of Arms
    + Crucible of Worlds
    + Strip Mine
    + Wasteland

    Mycoloth was too risky, even if it paid huge dividends. I never found myself searching for it when I needed a token generator. Crucible of Worlds really needed to be in here, because it's broken, and it helps with Smokestack/Braids. Strip Mine and Wasteland should help with Academy decks, and be randomly nuts with Crucible. I want to add Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Oracle of Mul Daya, and/or Rites of Flourishing, but I'm not sure if they're worth it.
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    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    It's not skipping draws that makes Words of Waste interesting. It's the replacement effect that you can use to do funny things. It's a nice way to abuse Sylvan Library.
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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    You could try using Mindslicer. I've found it to have a very fun tension in multiplayer games. It's a great deterrant.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    An Oran-Rief, the Vastwood would probably be a nice addition.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Shabbaman View Post
    It's not skipping draws that makes Words of Waste interesting. It's the replacement effect that you can use to do funny things. It's a nice way to abuse Sylvan Library.
    I know how it works. That's a solid two-card combo, but there are many better two card combos in the deck, and Words of Waste isn't that great on its own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malchar View Post
    You could try using Mindslicer. I've found it to have a very fun tension in multiplayer games. It's a great deterrant.
    That's a fantastic idea. I can't believe I missed that. I'll try to work it in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damnosus View Post
    An Oran-Rief, the Vastwood would probably be a nice addition.
    Eh, it comes into play tapped and it seems like it's win more. If I have enough tokens to make this nuts, I'm probably winning anyway.

    EDIT: - Necromancy, + Mindslicer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    - Forest
    - Animate Dead
    - Necrogen Mists

    + Acidic Slime
    + Stomp and Howl
    + Gleeful Sabatoge

    Changes to the deck made it more black heavy than before, and 37 lands was a little high. I was also having problems dealing with artifacts and enchantments, so I added three more solutions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
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    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Massive, long overdue update to the opening post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    I assume Contamination isn't here because your playgroup/you hates it?

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    Re: [EDH] Nath of the Gilt-Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kruchkow View Post
    I assume Contamination isn't here because your playgroup/you hates it?
    I cut it because it's difficult to set up and there's enough artifact mana/mana producing creatures/black decks in my meta that it's not even a guaranteed lock. It also shuts off my Gaea's Cradle.

    It's been a while though, so I'll reconsider it. There is certainly huge upside.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    How would Nitewolf have said this?... P_R went over the line. But it was about naming cats. Also, Anus Mittens is a good name for a cat.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    "Casual sex, NO Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians. Play Fast, Be Polite, Have Fun."

    Sure as hell sounds like fun.

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