the only problem i have with the above post is the idea that the chain lightnings are superior to lightning helix, both hungrylikealion and i agree that lightning helix is superior to chain lightning. in fact chain is one of the cards that i most often side out.
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for the record i have no good ideas. im just pointing out yours are terrible too.
You can also turn it the other way around. KotR feeds Grim LavamancerOriginally Posted by Bitchtoken
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I've been running 1 Jitte main and I've liked it ever since. I wouldn't put a second in the main. I actually have another one in my sideboard.
I also think if you choose Helix in your main you do not need to put Finks in your sideboard for the mirror and you could use those spots for bad matchups. I would suggest to put Krosan Grips in your sideboard vs Countertop and also vs Chalice. Pridemage is not always enough.
I suppose you have Shushers to help you in those situations. I personally don't like Shusher because it has to stay on the board for it to be effective and its only 2/2. Grip removes chalice and countertop and is also more versatile.
Quit playing Legacy but could still play Goblins (Rgw, Rg, Rw, Rb)
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Jeez guys i wish they would print a new Zoo card already
But seriously, run Jitte. I promise you you'll win more games. Idk how many times i have to compare to Bob before people will listen haha.
I also wanna replace Chain Lightning in the maindeck, but can't find anything worth the slot. Someone suggest things for me.
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What's your list? Do you run Helix yet?
Quit playing Legacy but could still play Goblins (Rgw, Rg, Rw, Rb)
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Hello at all,
today i won Legacy with this build:
Creature:
4 Bloodbraid Elf
2 Broodmate Dragon
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Sprouting Thrinax
4 Tarmogoyf
Instant:
3 Bituminous Blast
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Terminate
Sorcery:
4 Blightning
2 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Thoughtseize
Land:
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Badlands
3 Taiga
2 Bayou
1 Mountain
1 Swamp
1 Forest
Sideboard:
3 Extirpate
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Ravenous Trap
2 Terminate
-> When I walked to the tournament, my friend said that he forgot my Zoo. In my bag was only my Jund Type 2 deck so I had to play with this build. I changed the Manabase and put some Tarmogoyf and Lotus Cobra in the build and the tournament started.
First Round against Countertop:
He played the Supreme Blue version but this build did nothing against me. Countertop fizzelt always, I played Broodmate Dragon in turn 5 what he couldnt countered and Ive won the first match. I didnt board.
Round 2 was simular. Bloodbrad Elf into Blightning was very strong and Broodmate Dragon won the game again.
2:0
Second Round against Zoo:
He played first turn Nacatl, second turn nacatl and ape. Uuuuuuh xD I had only Tarmogoyf and Blightning, but Fireblast from the top was the end.
I board +4 Kitchen Finks and +2 Terminate for -4 Thoughtseize and -2 Maelstrom Pulse. The second game was awesome. His Nacatl get a Lighting Bolt, Tarmogoyf get Terminate, turn 3 Blightning, Turn 4 Bloodbraid Elf into Sprouting Thrinax. Game Win.
The last game and it was very slow. He played turn 1 only fetchland, second turn pridemage, Ive had 3 Tarmogoyf what he couldnt handle. Bituminous Blast into Kitchen Finks and I won the game.
2:1
Third Round against Dragon Stompy:
He played Chalice 1 and Magus of the Moon. Chalice 1 wasnt importand but Magus was very stupid. I did nothing the first 3 turn, Magus punished me on 14 then came the Lightning Bolt from the top. He played Radkos Pit Dragon and I had Bituminous Blast into Bloodbraid Elf into Sprouting Thrinax. Wooooow, good Action <33 I punished him for 3, next Round for 6, then came Broodmate Dragon and I finished the game. I didnt board.
I cant remember the second game but he played only Slogger and Trinishpere. Maelstrom Pulse on Thrinispeher, Termiante on Slogger and double Tarmogoyf win the game.
Awesome. 2:0
Fourth Round against Zoo xD:
This game was the most interested game Ive played today. His Zoo was with Elspeth, Garruk and Ajani Vengeant and it was very difficult to deal with. I lost the first came because Elspeth did to much and Maelstrom Pulse didnt come. +2 Maelstrom Pulse +2 Terminate for -4 Thoughtseize.
I started with turn 1 fetch, turn 2 goyf, turn 3 goyf, turn 4 bloodbraid into Tarmogoyf xD amazing. He had only 2 Apes and KofReliquary (4/4). I raced him and punished him with Bolt in his face. 1:1
The last game was very excitiing with an audience of 15 guys. Turn 1 Nacatl, Bolt from me. Turn 2 Tarmogoyf of him, Terminate. Turn 3 Tarmogoyf + Nacatl, Maelstrom Pulse on Tarmogoyf then I took 3. He played after the attack with Nacatl only Slyvn Library. I draw from the Top Bloodbraid Elf. Elf into Blightning, wooow that was amazing and he had to discard 2 Elspeth.
Sylvan gave the third Tarmoyf, now had a problem to deal with his creatures because I didnt had the removal. But from the top came my Tarmogoyf, woow what a luck. I put goyf into play and said go. He draw land, go. I draw Bituminous Blat, yeaaaaaaaaah, attack with goyf, he blocked, bituminous blast into Lotus Cobra, thats ok. He draw land, go. I draw land too, attack with goyf and cobra. I punished him to 11. He draw Ape from the Top, not dangerous. I draw Bloodbraid Elf,amazing xD Elf into Maelstrom Pulse. Luuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!! I won the fourth round, now i had a chance to the first place.
Fifth round against Merfolk:
I played Turn 1 Thoughtseize, he revealed. Lord, Lord, Vial, Island, Island, FoW, Jitte. I tool the Vial and said go. He played Island, go. I played Tarmogoyf, FoW with Cursecatcher. He played Lord of Atlantis, go. I played Sprozting Thinax, go. He played the second Lord and attacked. ^^ I said block, they trade. His creature went to the GY and I get 3 Tokens, nice :D
Ive played Terminate on Lord, Attack with the Token, then Cobra. He played only Mutavault, go. I play a Fetchland, fetch, get a mountain, 2 mana in pool and 5 in the game. Broodmate Dragon, he Daze, I payed the mana. He looked and said scoop. Game 2. -4 Thoughtseize +2 Terminate and +2 Maelstrom Pulse. The second game was fast. Turn 2 cobra, turn 3 fetch and bituminous blast on his merrow reejerey, into tarmogoyf. attack with coba. Turn 4 fetch, broodmate Dragon, he cant handle it and I won the game.
After 5 rounds the standing from me was 5:0 and I won the tournament. Nice, 1 Tundra and 1 Usea. I think this deck is really nice, at the moment I would cut the Thoughtseize for 2 Terminate, 1 Pulse and 1 Dragon because I found the Thoughtseize not revelant.
Any comments?
greets.
Zoo<3
@Bitchtoken: That isn't Zoo, at all
@Nelis: My list can be found anywhere on this thread. I don't feel like typing it out again. I've posted it a million times. I run 4 Helix bc they are too freaking good to not run.
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I know that isn't Zoo but The Source don't have a Jund thread ^^@Bitchtoken: That isn't Zoo, at all
@Nelis: My list can be found anywhere on this thread. I don't feel like typing it out again. I've posted it a million times. I run 4 Helix bc they are too freaking good to not run.
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I think there is one in the new and developmental section. I've written one like two years ago, and two more have also been written since then. I like the idea of Jund Aggro but i could never get it to work no matter what i did.
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Guys, I am going to play a GPT tomorrow with a that list: http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=31672
How would you make the sideboard, if you would know that the meta from today was like that below, and tomorrow would be almost identical:
3x Mono U Merfolk
3x WGR Zoo
2x Stax (W/Wg)
2x Reanimator (UB/Bg)
2x Dredge (oba Ichorid & LED)
1x Canadian Threshold
1x Aggro Loam
1x Belcher
1x BGW Rock
1x Mono U Control
1x Mono R Burn
1x Mono B Control
1x Mono R Goblins
What would be most vial sideboarding techniques? Any help is highly appreciated :)
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You can cut the Shushers, since there's no countertop and Zoo already beats Fish. Could probably use the slots on more yard hate, a fourth Teeg, maybe a Jitte or two.
You don't have any trouble with Merfolk, so i wouldn't worry about that match too much. For the mirror, i would run Jitte and the fourth Helix, hell run the fourth Helix anyway. Cut Fireblast. -2 Fireblast, +1 Jitte, +1 Helix.
Run a 2/2 or 3/3 split in the sideboard for gravehate. It's just your call. It's good against Dredge, Loam, and Reanimator.
I would suggest STP for the board as well. It's awesome against Dredge, the mirror, Aggro Loam, Reanimator, Rock. All those decks.
I would expect some Countertop to be there as well, but it's your call because you know the meta better than i do. Maybe Shusher and Choke? Or Red Blast?
Ancient Grudge could be good too considering you don't really need split second, or at least it doesn't seem.
Hope this has helped.
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I wasnt actually going to use the sideboard from that list. I was asking for a propositions for complete lists, plus sideouts hints, if possible. My first thought on sb are currently:
2 x Vexing Susher (fish, *****, muc)
2 x Great Sable Stag (fish, thresh, muc, rock)
1 x Umezawa's Jitte (zoo)
3 x Price of Progress (zoo, canadian-t, various decks)
3 x Krosan Grip (stax, zoo)
2 x Tormod's Crypt (dredge, reanimator, loam)
2 x Ravenous Trap (dredge, reanimator, loam)
Thoughts? Hints?
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I know i was just suggesting things, like you asked.
Stag looks terrible, and costs 3!! I would run a hate bear like Gaddock Teeg over him. But besides that the SB looks tight.
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Sorry, I was typing my reply while you posted yours. Im considering moving Jitte and 4th Helix to main, instead of the Fireblasts. That gives me one free slot in the sideboard.
The stags were to solve some issues with any blue deck immediately, same as Sushers, except that Sushers are not really attacking. But I may consider cutting at least Stags, what would give me two more slots, resulting in three slots free. Anything I should add?
And what about things to side out in given matchups? I can see that even more important than pure decklists and sideboardlists.
Thanks for your advice anyway!
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Teeg is pretty sweet for that metagame. He ruins Relcher, turns off Dread Return and Breakthrough against Dredge, and does plenty of good stuff against Stax. And I really wouldn't recommend going in without a plan against Belcher, I know there's just one of it, but he can easily ruin your day.
Stags don't really solve any of the blue problems that you care about. You beat Fish regardless. Tempo Thresh has no blue creatures and can just Bolt him in the face if they actually care for some reason. Half the reason people gave up on MUC was because of Zoo being too fast for them to deal with and Pridemage ruins B2B, one of their very few advantages over Landstill (which doesn't see much play anyways lately).
@spankme: You'll prolly find yourself boarding out Chain Lightning, and the third Knight bc of speed issues in some matchups. I side out Thoctars against Tempo Thresh bc they try to mana screw you. Also they arent too good against Dredge either. Kird Ape can be boarded out too without much worry.
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Following your paths guys the Stags are out. So, 3 Teegs in that place? I could probably cut 2 Sushers too, but first, I would have to fight with blue (fishy) decks bare hands (well, maye siding in Grips for their Vials/Jittes) what I am afraid of (to have my things countered endlessly), second, I've no idea what do put in their place, and for which matchup.
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One more thing - to complete the list from that link, I am missing two cards: Wooded Foothills and Plateau. I realised I could use fourth Arid Mesa with same success, but lack of Plateau troubles me. Basic Plains or Mountain.
Also - maybe I could cut Sushers for 2 Swords to Plowshares?
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Fish doesn't have nearly enough counters to keep all of your guys off the field. Besides, even if they get a lucky draw and do, then they don't have enough counters to stop you from wrecking their mediocre creatures with Zoo's abundant removal. Don't forget they can't save Forces for your big creatures, because they cannot beat an active Lavamancer and must counter it every time. The matchup is awful for them.
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