[Deck] Dredge

[Adan]

That land is nothing to worry about, it might be a tool for Loambased decks as they can dredge into it or something, but to recurr it is a bit more difficult. Most of the time they have to deal with tokens and the discarders at the same time and that evens it out. It's like Tormod's Crypt in worse. And even Tormod's Crypt doesn't really hurt us.

[GoldenCid]

forgeting for a while this land...i was checking out some sides from the last events and i wondered: What happened with Gargadon??
I still use it in my side and, indeed, i side him in but to be honest not many times it came into play. Some experience?

[NQN]

Yes, he´s inferior to the other cards. Parchers 75 are perfect.

[GoldenCid]

Yes, he´s inferior to the other cards. Parchers 75 are perfect.

I had liked to read other explanation but it's ok. Could you help me to rebuild my side? Here's the actual:

4 Chain of vapor
4 Gargadon
4 Firestor
1 Woodfall primus
2 Tireless tribe

[Parcher]

Sideboards should always fluctuate with what you expect to face. Both in the popular decks, and in this case, what Hate you expect to see from these decks. List the top 4-5 decks you face in your meta regularly, and what GY hate they play, if any, and an accurate answer will be much easier to try and come up with.

[GoldenCid]

Sideboards should always fluctuate with what you expect to face. Both in the popular decks, and in this case, what Hate you expect to see from these decks. List the top 4-5 decks you face in your meta regularly, and what GY hate they play, if any, and an accurate answer will be much easier to try and come up with.

That's right. My meta is wide it includes:

Zoo
Goblins
Enchantress
Combo (storm based) + Belcher (minority)
Black control
Elves
Landstill

As the commonest.

I found this side probably usefull:

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
SB: 4 [ON] Chain of Vapor (the most versatile card)
SB: 4 [WL] Firestorm (control)
SB: 3 [OD] Tireless Tribe (zoo)
SB: 1 [SHM] Woodfall Primus (enchantress, leyline, propaganda)
SB: 1 [OD] Sadistic Hypnotist (combo)
SB: 1 [10E] Ancestor's Chosen (circunstantial)

Suggestions are very welcomed.

[ninja_attack]

I would maybe cut the woodfall primus out for wispmare, cuz when brought in with chains, that provides a lot easier answer then woodfall, cuz if they have leyline in play, you arent going to be able to access your woodfall, and the same for propaganda, just chain or wispmare it away....Firestorm is also the HOUSE against goblins and to an extent zoo.. just if you didnt know.

[GoldenCid]

I would maybe cut the woodfall primus out for wispmare, cuz when brought in with chains, that provides a lot easier answer then woodfall, cuz if they have leyline in play, you arent going to be able to access your woodfall, and the same for propaganda, just chain or wispmare it away....Firestorm is also the HOUSE against goblins and to an extent zoo.. just if you didnt know.

You're right respect to firestorm. Considering tha "weakness" of primus we have to say that ray and grudge have the same problem. They act from graveyard. The utility is that if your opponent didn't play grave hate yet you can dredge and force him with AG / RoR / WP. That's why it's only 1 copy. Maybe Wispmare should be in at least 2 copies because you want to play it from hand mainly. The aim is the same but the strategy is different.

[kicks_422]

Considering tha "weakness" of primus we have to say that ray and grudge have the same problem. They act from graveyard.

Well, you can cast them from your hand.

[NQN]

Never go below 3 Grudges goddamnit! You can just win so easily through any artifact-based hate, why would you want to take away those easy wins? I´d go for -1 Hypno, -1 Tribe -1 Firestorm +3 AG.

nqn

Edit: Just realized that my last ~20 posts were like "play grudge!!". I don´t understand why so many people just ignore the best antihate to the most common hate...

[Anusien]

A friend of mine points out that Realm Razer is terrible against 43land compared to Petrodon. They can easily just Barbarian Ring Realm Razer after the trigger resolves. If they have Mox Diamond or Exploration it's probably not hard for them to do. And by that logic, Primus is probably even better.

[Parcher]

Against Lands: If you have an early FKZ, then they can't set up. If you have Iona, and they don't have GY hate, then Ichorids will just race them. It's at worst a 50/50 matchup assuming you have access to both of these targets between main and SB, and you have answers to Leyliine.

If they play my build, then you're in a lot more trouble though.

[GoldenCid]

Well, you can cast them from your hand.

Yes...but you need to run more copies to warranty you get it in your hand.

@NQN: do you think that the best form to beat combo is going combo?? I mean, would you side something against ANT?
Is Iona such relevant in this match up??

Om the the hand...has anybody tested Sphix of the Lost truths OVER Witness??

[Ozymandias]

Hey, here's a discussion that doesn't revolve around 4 slots in the 75: How aggressively do people mulligan this deck? Personally, I look at 7 and 6 for land, discard outlet dredger, 5 for the same with more willingness to all-in it on a LED, Dredger, nothing hand. and 4 and 3 for a land. How about you guys?

[NQN]

I take mulligans as long as I´ve got anything to start with. I mull very aggressively because I know that the deck can compensate it. I´ve won somany games with 3 or 4 cards because Land+any outlet is usually enough g1.

@Goldencid: The matchup vs ANT isn´t that good but shits a lot with who is on the play/on the draw. I don´t think that we need anything more than what we already have MD so I only side the fourth Unmask. If we win the role, we are in a good shape. Otherwise, we have to hope that he keeps a slow hand or doesn´t get any Chant effects. And yes, Iona is usually GG because we apply enough pressure to prevent them from getting around it in time.

[GoldenCid]

And yes, Iona is usually GG because we apply enough pressure to prevent them from getting around it in time.

Do you mean in the ANT match?? In that case is hard to choose the appropiate colour, in think that black is the best choice to cut tendril, tutors, DR and so on. The problem is if they run a bouncer.

Any experience with the sphinx?

[badjuju]

Do you mean in the ANT match?? In that case is hard to choose the appropiate colour, in think that black is the best choice to cut tendril, tutors, DR and so on. The problem is if they run a bouncer.

Any experience with the sphinx?

Black is almost always the correct color to call, as it is ANT's path to victory. If you call blue, sure you may be insuring yourself against bounce, but then they'll just untap and drop 2 rituals -> nauseam.

[NQN]

Black is always the right colour as they don´t always need M.Tutor/BS etc.
My experience with Sphinx is that it´s not needed but probably better than Hypnotist. The only reason I still play Hypno is because he´s black and does something now and then.

[Adan]

Black is always the right colour as they don´t always need M.Tutor/BS etc.
My experience with Sphinx is that it´s not needed but probably better than Hypnotist. The only reason I still play Hypno is because he´s black and does something now and then.

Mind that some ANT builds don't play maindeck bounce (or just K.Grip), so a Iona set on Black is the best chance to steal a g1.
And in g2 she still can buy you a lot of time as the opponent will only have about 3 outs (Chain of Vapor and 2 Echo Truths average). Slaughter Pact and Deathmark don't work obv. ;-D

They will be forced to use Mysticals to tutor for utility. The carddisadvantage the Mystical generates will buy you time then.

And anyway, the stormdecks have 3 possibilities to fuck you over if you don't call black: LED+LED+Infernal, Rit+Rit+Ad Nauseam, Rit -> Doomsday (wins without a blue spell if they have SDT SDT. Or maybe you are unlucky and they have a Infernal Contract/Cruel Bargain instead of a Meditate, that would be hilarious).

[oRen]

I found this side probably usefull:

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
SB: 4 [ON] Chain of Vapor (the most versatile card)
SB: 4 [WL] Firestorm (control)
SB: 3 [OD] Tireless Tribe (zoo)
SB: 1 [SHM] Woodfall Primus (enchantress, leyline, propaganda)
SB: 1 [OD] Sadistic Hypnotist (combo)
SB: 1 [10E] Ancestor's Chosen (circunstantial)

Suggestions are very welcomed.

you want to hardcast primus versus leyline or am i missing something ?


i played parchers 75 yesterday at a 50+ people event with 1 Tribe in the Main instead of 1 Thug and the following sb.

4 Chain of Vapor
3 Firestorm
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Tireless Tribe
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Ancestor's Chosen
1 Unmask
1 City of Brass

ending in 4-2. i won against loampox, no led dredge, goblins, ... . losing to belcher and bw suicide with grunts, leylines and so on ...