Another evening of "me vs. Legacy = 0:1 drop". I swear I gonna quit.Originally Posted by Aleksandr
Dear wizards, don't reprint duals and stuff in next few months.
Was this even a real Skeggi's hero?Lol. You're my hero.
What's amusing to me is at one time there was a format defining card called Juzam Djinn sitting at $200 and it's buddy fellow format defining card sitting at $75 called Chaos Orb. Wow, how things have changed.
Seems format defining cards got cheaper. lol
Except $75 is roughly what the current cost of some format defining cards are.
And $50 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth o_0
Oh wow, I didn't even catch that the first time, since I went straight to look at the legacy stuff. That's just fucking madness. Aren't ten mana fatties that nobody has used yet supposed to cost ten cents?
They have since lowered the price to $30, which is more reasonable (although still overpriced).
I don't know where you looked, but SCG has him at $20. Which I still think is a bit overpriced for a 10 mana fatty that won't fit in a Reanimator shell. Hell, we don't even know what to expect in the rest of the set, I doubt this will be the best it will get.
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Are they serious? That's just goofy. Makes you wonder if they got some inside info on that guy like "there's a card in the set for two mana that let's you play Eldrazi spells for free!". He's not even a good reanimation target, must less hard castable. Maybe if they gave us some more cost reducers and even then that seems unstable.
They don't need inside info. SCG can sell anything because they have a propaganda machine named Evan Erwin. All they need to do is get Evan to start freaking out claiming this will be the best card ever and all the fools who listen to him and thought warren instigator was good etc etc will buy it.
Just a few points to address here:
1) http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.htm...c0.m283&_rdc=1 - current E-bay market (from people who have feedback as preseller) is a very solid $25. At $20, we are under the average market price of Kozilek by 20%.
2) Someone got a hold of a Rise of the Eldrazi print sheet, and started posting information on MTGSalvation before they were shut down. Not much was leaked, but enough information out there was leaked to complete an early teaser from Mark Rosewater:
"Rise of the Eldrazi is going to be a set built around the Eldrazi Titans, all of which have no color and are huge. For example, there are two Eldrazi at uncommon, the smaller of which is 7/7. All of the Eldrazi have a new ability called Annhilate. Creatures with Annihilator have a number; whenever a creature with Annhilator: X attacks, the defending player must sacrifice that many permanents. The Eldrazi are very expensive but there are artifacts that can create 0/1 creatures called Spawn tokens that can be sacrificed to add one colorless mana to your mana pool and will help you be able to cast the Eldrazi. In addition, the set has a new keyword called Level Up. You may spend mana on creatures with Level Up to improve their stats and abilities. This Limited environment is much slower than the one in Zendikar."
In short, one of the set mechanics is making 0/1 creatures that help you cheat larger creatures into play. The plant of Eye of Ugin in Worldwake also points towards this set being designed partly around huge creatures which can be cheated into play early.
3) The first way-advance preview card from Wizards is usually the card they view as being extremely desirable - which makes sense, because you want to get people talking about the set early with something flashy. Examples of the early teaser/spoiler that Wizards has used include Damnation, Jace the Mind Sculptor, and Arid Mesa. From a tracking perspective, the first card previewed in this way ends up being one of the chase cards of the set.
Just some thoughts - I don't know what Kozilek will or won't be worth in the future, but I wanted to talk about the here and now ($25ish on E-bay, consistantly), the information already presented about Rise of the Eldrazi, and the track record of Wizards and the first preview card from a set.
- Ben
Well Ben, while your here with us.
Let's go back in time and reflect a bit. I want to go back to say Onslaught block or Mirrodin block. Can you tell us what super-advance chase rare cards were spoiled for these sets and then give us an idea of what speculative values they commanded at that time. I want to put previous standard legal card prices in perspective with the inflated values cards command today. Or maybe just set me straight and point out that chase cards from not so distant sets were actually on par with todays values.
Thanks
And this is not an attack on you or SCG btw, I'm just curious because I don't really remember.
Thanks Ben for that explanation, it just seems odd to see cards with that kind of stats go for that much, but if the Ebayer's and your customers are paying it, I guess it's the correct price. It just seems funny when you think about it. Even with cost reducers and massive ramping into mana, it's a rough road to count on casting 10 mana spells. Heh, what will become of standard when these kind of things see play? Next it will be Banding making the comeback and being awesome. : )
Did anyone notice the price of Sneak Attack?
I don't know where it has been before the Eldrazi have been spoiled, but
at Magiccardmarket it's at 15€ which equals $20.
That's just hilarious speculation.
Also, show and tell doubled up to 14€ as well (i sold mine for 7,50 a month ago)
Ringleader into Balloon Brigade, Digging Team, Artisans, Snowman.
The Rise of the Eldrazi giants should affect atleast a few cards
Sneak Attack and Show and Tell have already been increased.
I do not believe Sneak Attack will have a sustained increase.
There are three cards that I think will increase when people start testing. They
are:
Mosswort bridge
Fist of Suns
Hypergenesis
The first two can be put in a control shell and both of them allow for the full benefit of casting the Eldrazi. For the biggest guy this translates to an uncounterable win in most situation. That will probably make it worth the strain on a decklist to facilitate the 5 mana and the dreadnaught trick, but who knows.
The Hypergenesis increase will be from a newer, faster, and far more consistent kill hypergenesis deck. I think that it will be tempo based with a number of alternate casting cost free spells.
If the Hidden Fists control deck takes off, I expect Fist of suns to hit 14.50 and the Hideaway land to hit 9 bucks. If the Hypergenesis deck takes off, then I expect it to be slightly better than 20.00 since it is also gains from potential extended play.
Obviously, I am speculating but it is probably worth stating it in the message.
-Peace
I don't know the exact number, but Sneak Attack has been very expensive forever. It's one of the favorite cards for the casual masses, so it always had an absurd price.
It will quickly bounce back, because decks around it are awful, true story.
"Want all, lose all."
I'm surprised at how fast Show and Tell is going up though, buy it now sets at $100? It's getting hard to keep up with all these mass price increases. I've been buying up anything I need to finish a playset just in case it shoots to a $25 card overnight. This is getting crazy.
Made my day last week when the last card in this giant box of blue was Show and Tell for a buck. It's ridiculous how a card that's mostly a 1-of in a SB is that expensive.
As opposed to Dream Halls? It's quite reasonable in that frame.
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That's true. I forgot that bad deck is still being played.
Warren Instigator IS good.
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