Maybe the G splash is outdated, but I remember some people running Tin-Street Hooligan and K Grip in the SB.Originally Posted by kinda
As far as I know, it's still played. It's a very minor splash when I've seen it, though.
Back before those cards were out, I used to run a single Taiga maindeck and 4 Naturalize and a Forest in the board, everything else was mono-R. I stopped considering the green splash when I saw the cool black goblins in Lorwyn block.
I did. Around December.
But I guess they decided not to post it.
Hey,
Great to see Goblins posting results in the recent major tournaments.
I swear, a year ago in this thread, we were quite disheartened with the lack of tournament results. Well, now we have it.
I wanna take my RB goblins to my local legacy tournament, was wondering if this is a solid SB. I have no idea what to expect in the meta.
These decks have been winning quite a bit in the area so I assume they will show up for sure: Dredge, Canadian Threshold, counter top, and goblins
Sideboard
4x Chalice of the Void
3x Pyrokinesis
3x Red Elemental Blast
3x Tormod Crypt
2x Blood Moon
Other cards I considered:
3-4x Mindbreak Trap - combo
2x Boartusk Liege - Zoo, mirror, Engineered plague?
4x Mogg Fanatic - I do not maindeck these, however, this card has been on my mind for dredge matchups (to remove their bridges)
Any suggestions on what to include in the 15?
Lately I have been debating if I'm even going to put combo hate in my board. We all agree that traps, chalice, and thorns are the best hate. Usually the the first 3 turns are crucial against combo and I feel that chalice may be the best hate for couple of reasons. First of all you can drop chalice turn one for zero and still drop a lackey/vial or you can drop a lackey/vial turn one then drop chalice turn 2 for the golden number one. The problem I have with thorns and traps is that it is very easy for good players to play around because most play thoughtseize ..duress ... recall.. bounce etc. I'm not saying that chalice isn't affected by the same problems as traps and thorns, I just feel that trap will be discarded before they go off and that chalice for one hurts more than thorns.
Right now my board is looking like this...
4x chalice of the void
4x tormod's crypt
4x pyrokinesis
3x blood moon
P-Air if you are playing r/b I think you should definately play perish, it is just too good at against alot of the meta game
My current RB board:
4 Chalice
3 Relic
3 Perish
3 Blood Moon
2 Crypt
Should I have more combo hate?
So they gave you no feedback on your primer? Goblins does badly need a new primer, and it is a lot of hard work to write one up. If you did a detailed primer, you should at least have gotten some feedback. Even if they felt that your primer was not good enough, at least they could have offered some suggestions for revisions that would help get it up to their standards.
I sent it to them as .docx, he told me to resend it as .doc, I did, and then nothing ever happened after that. He told me he was looking to get all the new primers done in one fell swoop, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Even the primer I wrote is sort of outdated now. It was before Progenitus gained steam, before Iona, before Entomb was unbanned, before combo increased in presence. Hell, my experience against ProBant at that point was very limited. I'm looking at it now and doing some small updates (adding some more to the black splash because it has gotten so much better, basically). But it is still behind the metagame we have now.
The problem with the primer was, I wrote it when I was very into legacy. I've dropped out of magic somewhat recently, so I don't feel like my expertise is the same. I think if we used my old primer as a starting point, we should update it as a community, probably through PM.
I can email my primer to anybody who may be interested. It's an 11 page word doc.
I'd be very willing to give it a read and give you my two cents. I've been playing the deck pretty extensively over the last few months.
Ok, so here's my list, or, at least, what it will be (I'm finally ponying up for Wastes #2+#3).
Lands:
4 Wasteland
2 Rishadan Port
16 Mountain
Creatures:
3 Siege-Gang Commander
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Matron
3 Goblin Warchief
3 Goblin Chieftain
3 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Piledriver
3 Warren Instigator
3 Stingscourger
4 Goblin Lackey
Artifacts:
4 Aether Vial
Sideboard:
4 Pyrokinesis
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Anarchy
3 Blood Moon
1 Goblin Tinkerer
Things I want to change:
I want to have a more general SB plan. You'll notice I have no GY hate. It's something that I don't miss in my meta (there aren't really any GY based decks - people don't bring them) but I'd like to have it. But I really have no idea as far as cutting goes. I'd also like to have maybe 1-2 more options against Zoo. I actually had a RL match today - it ended in a draw. Was pretty intense, though. Blood Moon helped, I guess I won't know how much, but I actually won G1 without it or Pyrokinesis. I lost game 2, bringing in the Moons and Pyros. I know why I lost G2, though. An active Jitte came up. I really did not enjoy that. So, I might want to move the Tinkerer main.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Your not going to beat combo wth 4 thorn...so that's open slots, :D. Also -1 stingscorger +1 tinkerer is fine.
I'd also bring in Blood Moon against ANT. If Belcher makes an appearance, I'll switch to traps, but right now, those slots cover two MU's: Storm and Burn.
Hi guys,
Yesterday I was toying around with my deck and come up with this.
I quite like Wort for the endgame benefits. Also [Wort + Stingscourger] or [Wort + Sharpshooter killing Matron] is not bad either :)
But I'm afraid that 8 one mana drops is not enought :/
NON-LANDS (34 Goblin cards)
4x Aether Vial
4x Goblin Lackey
4x Goblin Piledriver
4x Goblin Matron
4x Goblin Ringleader
3x Goblin Warchief
3x Gempalm Incinerator
2x Stingscourger
2x Siege-Gang Commander
2x Wort, Boggart Auntie
2x Warren Instigator
2x Warren Weirding
1x Goblin Chieftain
1x Goblin Sharpshooter
LANDS
4x Badlands
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Wasteland
10x Mountain
This might actually be hard to pull off...but try and find someone who plays ANT and play against them...then post here how you fared...
@ palmik: +4 fetches, you want 12 ways of getting a black source...even if you're only playing 2 weirding. And why only 3 warchief?
Personally I would put in a 23rd land. And one Wort is enough especially if you intend it for the endgame. I also think that you have too many random 2 offs. I would try to make a choice which ones are of best use in your metagame.
edit: You could also put in Aunties Hovels
Quit playing Legacy but could still play Goblins (Rgw, Rg, Rw, Rb)
ジェームス・ブラウン
I'm staring in the mirror looking at my biggest rival.
Is Boartusk Liege any good in the Zoo MU?
You want 2-3 Rishadan Port.
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