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    I've mostly tried to race to do my stuff before CBTop hits. Preferably before CB hits, even. It's worked out better for me than trying to get through it.

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    @ nodahero

    Burning Wish->Forked Bolt, Forked Bolt is +3 storm for 1RR which is more efficient than anything else TES has for 3 mana right now (Grapeshot will be better at 4 mana, but you don't always have that). This would be a marginal reason to include it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninja_attack View Post
    (If you were able to test) did you like this change, and did it improve the matchup a lot?

    One more question, against Counterbalance, does a TES player want to go all out and hope to win before Counterbalance resolves? or do you wait and look for an opening when they are doing something?
    I posted my results of the day, I ended up going 1-2 drop, although I was hungover. Empty the warrens was fairly useful, you should read the post a few pages back.

    It's really hand based to be honest, although the general consensus is to try and win as fast as possible. Exceptions are if you can Duress them and/or chant them first.

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    @ Emidlin:

    In that scenario wouldn't a card like Firebolt be MARGINALLY better? I can't think of a reason to really split up the damage from Forked Bolt but the ability to flash back Firebolt seems SLIGHTLY more relevant...

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    Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

    You need a Sorcery to wish it with BW. But yeah, Chain Lightning would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gocho View Post
    You need a Sorcery to wish it with BW. But yeah, Chain Lightning would be better.
    Care to expand? I don't see how it's better at all. What 3 power creatures do we need to kill?

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    I think he was saying this because there is zero reason AS FAR AS I CAN THINK where you would want to use a wish to grab a Forkbolt to kill 2 x/1s or an x/1 and hit a player for 1. Where if you grab a Chain Lightning you can kill any x/3 or hit the opponent to reduce the storm count an extra 1.5.

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    Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

    Emildn suggested this to me.

    Recurring Insight 4uu
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    Draw cards equal to the number of cards in target opponent's hand.
    Rebound

    What do people think?

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    I think that it should have costed 2-3 mana less but then not have Rebound :/
    In that case it would have been viable. As it is now, I don't think it's worth a slot. You might wanna test it instead of Diminishing Returns (in case your frustrated with that one).

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    Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

    Having 6 mana avaiable, shouldn't you already be winning the game via IT+IGG from BWish or DReturns with some mana floating?
    Terribly overcosted and situational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piceli89 View Post
    Having 6 mana avaiable, shouldn't you already be winning the game via IT+IGG from BWish or DReturns with some mana floating?
    Terribly overcosted and situational.
    Wrong. The only situation this card isn't good in is if you're going to lose if you pass the turn. This is a Diminshing Returns that doesn't give your opponent another shot at countermagic, and if you fail to go off, you get another draw4-5 next turn (at which point you're holding at least 10 cards and if you don't win it's your own fault). This is a huge selling point because unlike IGG and DReturns, this works without a chant effect. In NLS we were testing Balance of Power at 5cc for half of this effect because needing a chant to win without life is awful. I'd gladly pay one mana more and draw an extra 3-5 cards. This is better in TES because you have more accel.

    This will be a staple in Wish-based combo sideboards until they unban Mind's Desire or Windfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emidln View Post
    Wrong. The only situation this card isn't good in is if you're going to lose if you pass the turn. This is a Diminshing Returns that doesn't give your opponent another shot at countermagic, and if you fail to go off, you get another draw4-5 next turn (at which point you're holding at least 10 cards and if you don't win it's your own fault). This is a huge selling point because unlike IGG and DReturns, this works without a chant effect. In NLS we were testing Balance of Power at 5cc for half of this effect because needing a chant to win without life is awful. I'd gladly pay one mana more and draw an extra 3-5 cards. This is better in TES because you have more accel.

    This will be a staple in Wish-based combo sideboards until they unban Mind's Desire or Windfall.
    While I agree with you somewhat. My biggest conern would be why not get ETW in that situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryant Cook View Post
    While I agree with you somewhat. My biggest conern would be why not get ETW in that situation?
    Modern control decks are packing EE + ETutor to find it (some Bant, UW, some Landstill), Firespout (4c CB, some Landstill), or ETruth (Merfolk). I mean, ETW gets you there most of the time. I'm one of the unluckiest people ever though, so most of the time for a normal person translates to "about 10%" for me since my opponent ALWAYS has the EE.
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    Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

    But..if you're going to draw 5 cards against "modern control decks", won't they have a counter in those 5? To play this new sorcery protected you need basically 9 mana, 1 for Chant/Duress plus 2+6 (which implies, to me, at least a LED involved). Of course you can play it alone or after having grabbed it by Bwish the turn after, but at that point perhaps casting Ad Nauseam is just better.

    The card looks strong on paper, but requiring all that mana for a not-safe win is a perhaps a bit too much, even for an acceleration-heavy list like TES.
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    Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

    I think recurring Insight bear merit. Granted IGG loop is good and all but if your only tutor is BW then you either need to wish for Infernal and wait a turn, or go for D Returns. Overall, better than D Returns by far.

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    If they had a counter in their 5, they would have countered Burning Wish to begin with. That said, playing around a counterspell when your grip is 10 card is trivial.
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    Wait, wait, wait, is that seriously a Draw 7 with Rebound that doesn't re-draw for the opponent at 6 mana? That has to be the only card in this set that doesn't suck and they give it to Storm, LMFAO, thank you for pseudo Mind's Desire.

    Snap calling the pre-order on this.
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    If I add this my sideboard looks like...

    SB:1 Recurring Insight
    SB:1 Ill-Gotten Gains
    SB:1 Tendrils of Agony
    SB:1 Empty the Warrens
    SB:1 Grapeshot
    SB:2 Xantid Swarm
    SB:1 Krosan Grip
    SB:1 Wipe Away
    SB:1 Chain of Vapor
    SB:1 Echoing Truth
    SB:2 Shattering Spree
    SB:2 Deathmark

    Does this look right? This is with no IGG maindeck and a maindeck ETW.

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    You don't want to replace Diminishing Returns with Recurring Insight, you want to supplement it - having the 4cc Storm engine that you can either cast with LED or wish for and cast on the next turn is too important to cut when racing or top decking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreathWeapon View Post
    You don't want to replace Diminishing Returns with Recurring Insight, you want to supplement it - having the 4cc Storm engine that you can either cast with LED or wish for and cast on the next turn is too important to cut when racing or top decking.
    So then we have 3-4 SB slots of just Storm combo enablers. Igg, Dreturns, RInsight, and possibly Infernal -> Ad Nauseam. Seems like a lot.

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