Sorry if this is the wrong forum, but this will most likely cause discussion among the Legacy crowd. I saw this on mtgsalvation:
What are your thoughts on this?Code:First, some background. The people at WoTC want to support Eternal formats at all levels of competitive play. Unfortunately, the format is simply too expensive for something like a Pro Tour and associated qualifier season to be economically viable. The price of key staples would be even higher they are now if they did this, due to increased demand. And because of the reserve list, they can't simply print more. So, a new format is coming. It will be released later this year, with high-level events next year and probably a Pro Tour in 2012, assuming the format catches on. Here's how it will work. 1. Normal constructed Magic rules apply. This isn't a special-rules format like EDH or Planechase. 2. All cards printed during Masques block and later blocks, plus associated core sets, are legal (except banned cards, of course). 3. Nothing ever rotates out. One point of uncertainty. My source says they haven't definitely decided on Masques block as the cutoff yet, but it will be around that time. With the ability ro reprint staples if necessary, the people at WoTC hope they can make a non-rotating format which is accessible enough to use in a PT and qualifier season.
This is the logical evolution of WotC's business model. Keep making competitive formats that include the latest cards while also giving people access to many of their favorite cards from the past. They'll probably do this repeatedly if Magic remains a successful product.
I would definitely play the format if it came into existence, alongside Legacy.
This would be retarded. No one wants to play Legacy Lite. Just makes ChYOS a sanctioned format.
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Yep. I agree with this 110%.Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Combo seems like it would be extremely degenerate in a format like that without FoW. I guess we'll have to see how it pans out...
Very reliable source for this information.
The entire internet is pointing to the Salvation post, and the OP has a grand total of 1 post.
Not that anyone is really a credible source on the internet but let's use some common sense here before we get our panties in a knot.EldraziSpy
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You may be right, but it's no surprise that the dude has no previous posts: he is presumably violating either an explicit NDA or a general "don't leak this yet" order so it's not remotely a stretch to assume that he just doesn't want to be identified.
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If created, I'd give another eternal format a shot.
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Interesting that it may NOT be a Masques cut off. That, I can only guess, is due to debates over including cards like Dark Ritual, Counterspell and Brainstorm, which would definitely be format-defining cards.
@ IBA, one perspective is indeed a "Legacy Lite", but another perspective is Extended-plus ("heavy" sounds stupid). I guess it would resemble more like current Extended than like Legacy since most of Legacy's defining decks would be gone (no Wasteland, LED, Force of Will, Swords to Plowshares, Lackey, Reanimate/Exhume, et al.). Duals and fetches would still be around, only they'd be Ravinca duals, like in current Extended.
I think CYOS is more difficult to moderate as in making sure that decks are "legal". I'm not arguing it is too difficult, but I can imagine the DCI/Wizards prefers simplicity over complexity, and CYOS is slightly more complex than a format with a general cut off (i.e. Masques on).
I can't go out on a limb and say it's stupid or horrible, because quite honestly, I haven't seriously contemplated what decks would port over or what kind of meta would develop. Also, that cut off line does not equate a cheap format. Tarmogoyf, Wasteland, and Force of Will are three cards they could easily have been kept cheaper (especially the latter two) without any worries of policy violations, but they still haven't bothered. I'm sure this trend of hot cards becoming increasingly expensive and scarce would not end with the introduction of a new format. (Oh God, I'm really not trying to start another price discussion, but if that is one of the reasons for this idea, namely unfettered ability to reprint, they haven't exactly shown a willingness to use that ability they have now.)
Edit: To add to the conspiracy theory: there is every possibility that the "leak" is intentional. Companies and politicians often leak information intentionally so that they can see and gather feedback on a particular idea. This gives them a chance to make appropriate amendments prior to a formal policy declaration.
Edit II: Dammit, this is a duplicate thread. Just saw the other one now. I wasted all that analysis when it has already been said.
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Regarding the source of this info, I was skeptical about the poster at first, but I've noticed on that site that a lot of times a user will show up for the first time and reveal a spoiler or some other piece of news, so I wouldn't completely discredit it.
As for the format, I would be very disappointed with it, as cutting off all cards before Masques block or any block for that matter seems unfair and would not be a real eternal format anyway. I'm guessing it's supposed to be Wizard's response to the recent Reprint List policy, but what about people that want to play with their old cards? Ice Age block and Tempest block were both new and available at one point and in the future, Ravnica and Time Spiral block will eventually be old and hard to get a hold of, so where does it stop when deciding which cards to keep legal? Also, this would just drive up the prices of the new duals and such, not to mention Goyf still being pricey.
Well Dark Ritual would be legal, and so would AdN.. And so would Cabal Ritual.. And Force wouldn't be so yeah. The format looks dumb to me. Whats wrong with Legacy anyhow?
Price for the most part. I mean being a broke college player I can play one of two good decks: Goblins or Merfolk.
That never stopped anyone from playing MWS. Sure real cards are nice. I much prefer doing extensive testing with a deck, like on MWS, before I buy it anyway. By the time you are a good pilot with the deck on MWS, you can likely put aside a little bit of money each week (if you have a job) to buy the deck. I don't know what your financial situation is but $400 in 4 months time seems reasonable. Then you can start winning cards by playing well so that you can make other decks or improve the existing ones. I bought SI 3 years ago for about $150 and used shitty cards like Duress instead of Cabal Therapy until I won enough store credit to buy the rest of the deck. Just be a good pilot and legacy is the format for you.
Why are people acting as though there wouldn't be a banned list? I doubt WoTC is dumb enough to make a new format that will immediately be dominated by degenerate combos (maybe that will be the case in time, but if they do go with this I'm sure they will test the main accelerators quite a bit to see if they should be banned or not).
Well that isn't very specific. So stuff like Skullclamp would be banned but this limited information doesn't necessarily elude to its own list. I'm sure there would be but what would it be? Sure a lot of the cards in ANT would be legal but LED wouldn't be, and neither would Underground Sea so its missing quite a bit. It would be a strong deck but not necessarily the best one.2. All cards printed during Masques block and later blocks, plus associated core sets, are legal (except banned cards, of course).
Either way, it looks like Legacy for people who don't want to play a more skill intensive format. I'll be sticking to Legacy, thanks.
Bs imho. Nothings wrong w Legacy. No deck is dominating the way I can see it.
I suppose this is fake, but hypothetically: legacy was, as far as I can see, created as a cheaper alternative to vintage. Now that Legacy has become so popular, legacy itself has become rather expensive. Creating a cheap alternative to legacy is just running around in circles.
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as others have said, this format could be entirely dominated by combo.
Unless, of course, combo is kept in check by bans.
If so, then the format will consist of Goblins (old school, with bidding, perhaps?), Domain zoo, various forms of Blue Goyf and a couple of old favorite control deck re-hashes (wake? Slide?). Expect Rishadan Port to be a gangster and just show up in every deck.
A format like this should probably replace Extended, because that format is going downhill fast, in quality and popularity.
I would play a format like this, though. It would not be my main format, for sure, but I'd definitly try it out.
Just a thing about Combo: if it's from MM and so on, "ANT" would lose these cards:
-Mystical tutor.
-Lion's Eye Diamond.
-Mox Diamond (which should be in the LEDless lists).
-Dual Lands.
-Lotus petal.
I don't know you, but it would be visibly weakened. All the Initial Mana Sources ANT relies on are not avaiable except the shittiest one, Chrome Mox, and good luck if you're trying to replace that with Simian Spirit Guides. Perhaps it could come out like a sort of crappy UBr list with lots of red and black acceleration and Empty the Warrens, but still I don't think it would be overpowered.
Still, since it could go off turn1-2 without FoW being a huge risk, Ad Nauseam will probably be banned.
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Pauper Storm comboes at turn 3-4 many times without this cards and only play commons.
ANT must adapt to the new format a little, but believe me. You'll hate it or play it in 1-2 months.
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