Elspeth is still positively testing for me as a one-of in MB. I will probably cut the 2nd one from my SB. I've made a decision to run 2 'walkers, the second one being JMS. Elspeth almost singlehandedly wins your mirror or mirror-like matchups. Is good vs Stax or Lands or Landstill. I tend to SB her out vs quick aggro, possibly leaving her vs Zoo if I'm on the play.
Originally Posted by Halted Asylum
In what matchups is Jace better than Elspeth? I see Jace only being good in the same matchups as Elspeth, and pretty terrible against aggro. I suppose he's slightly better against combo, but generally if you get to four mana there you're probably winning.
Jace is better against Reanimator decks I suppose.
I see Elspeth as being superior overall.
I've played this: 2 elspeth and 2 jace...
It's really good because it let's you win games but I prefer against some decks NOPRO (it let's you win against zoo and stuff so)
So I would command 1 each
What happened to Mystic Enforcer? Why isn't anyone running that guy anymore?
Goyf got printed? Rhox War Monk is better? Lack of relevant black creatures?
Team Donkeypunch
Goyf and War monk don't have flying bro...
Both creatures cost less and RWM stabilizes the goyf sligh/zoo match up.
Those two > Mystic Enforcer.
Who cares if your 4 cost dude can go up top when you have fast aggro to worry about?
Team Donkeypunch
About Jace TMS , it is awsome as a 1of from my SB, I won a champ yesterday and it really owned the games against Enchantress and BG Builds.Enchantress need to put some pressure or they are dead in 6 turns(let the draw lands and unuseaful cards), against BG if the board it clean, the need a Pulse or Vindicate(BGW) fast because Jace TMS gives you card advantage to fight deed and discard effects or find your lock while they try to kill you Jace, it also bounce their guys 3 times so your Goyf can pass through their defenses.
PS: Cavius is awsome too!!He wins the game by it self.
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If you're using the countertop combo in a natural order bant deck, when do you side it out?
It depends, like most decks you side out different cards in different matchups.
Are you asking when you side out counterbalance or when you side out natural order?
I should have specified that I meant the countertop engine, I reckon you take the natural order stuff out against guys with lots of counterspells.
Well, Counterbalance itself, sometimes with Top comes out versus decks which you can't hit reasonably with CB - Stax, Merfolk, Goblins, Dragon/Faerie/Demon/Elephant/Angel Stompy. It sometimes doesn't (or does) work against Enchantress and 43Lands.
It's essential against lands, as you basically just win if they can't get loam going.
I would much rather run rafiq then either of these
First I thought that to, but rafiq is death one only one burn spell so it's bad against zoo, and in my meta there's ALOT of ZOO^^
So in my meta rafiq ain't better, idk in yours?
What do you all think is the most effective boarding strategy against Merfolk (in a basic NOBant list)? I've been bringing in 2 Path to Exile, 2 Umezawa's Jitte, and 2 Engineered Explosives, taking out 4 FoW, 2 Cbalance. The Natural Order package seems strange is this matchup. Merfolk can get hands with very little countermagic and Natural Order just wins the match. However, it can be dead draw if they have island walkers and you're behind. I don't think there is much worth fighting for to include FoW. What do some of you do?
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Natural Order is pretty awful against Merfolk, as they generally just drop a lord and kill you the next turn, if you're ever able to resolve it at all.
Propaganda/Ghostly Prison works wonders vs any aggro matchup so they cant swarm you. It creates huge dissynergy with wasteland, shuts down mutavault.
Also dueling grounds works well too
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