First, talking about your manabase without knowledge of the rest of the deck ain't easy...Originally Posted by Zhukai
Also, I don't see your point about manaFixing. You have trouble casting an IGG loop for BB2 (+B for the loop), but can use AdNauseam fo BB3 due to the Rainbow lands you're packing ?!
Moreover, the original explosive 4 Cities, 4 Gemstones (+a U.Paradise//Orchard split) manabase has evolve to the 8 rainbow lands + 2 U.Sea and 1 Volc.Island, then to a bigger land count of 4 Gemstone, 2-3Cities, 4 FecthLands, 2 Seas 1 Volc.
With the additional cantrips engine (especially with the loss of MT), the Blue Duals are now mandatory in TES. You wouldn't want depleting your Gemstones of its counters (or pinging yourself with city) for mere cantrips, then miss those ressources when you're going fot the big turn...
Sorry I should have provided a list. I'm still missing 2 LEDs and U. Seas so I replaced them with 2 Cabal Rituals and a swamp/island split (I also run into Dragon Stompy or Imperial Recruiter at every tournament so the Seas make me nervous).
Main:
4x City of Brass
4x Gemstone Mine
2x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
1x Island
4x Duress
2x Silence
1x Chain of Vapor
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
3x Mystical Tutor
3x Infernal Tutor
3x Chrome Mox
4x Dark Ritual
4x Lotus Petal
2x Lion's Eye Diamond (boo)
4x Rite of Flame
2x Cabal Ritual
4x Burning Wish
1x Ad Nauseam
1x Tendrils of Agony
1xEmpty the Warrens
1x Sensei's Divining Top
Sideboard:
1x Ill-Gotten Gains
1x Diminishing Returns
1x Grapeshot
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Wipe Away
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Empty the Warrens
2x Deathmark
2x Shattering Spree
1x Echoing Truth
1x Infernal Tutor
2x Red Elemental Blast
Hey Bryant, you ever think of trying out a singleton Doomsday? I keep watching this stupid Shelldock thing slip under CB and I just love that. It's hard to ignore and I play something similar to your deck with a Doomsday anyway since I like how it dives under hate easier sometimes.
I just feel that the doomsday package requires too many cards.
You need tops, Shelldock Isle, Doomsday, Emrakul (Not a combo with Nauseam), and a draw 4.
Nice report. Even if your opponent in the feature match did not seem too confident with the deck, g1 was a goldfish for you and g2 he helped you putting the SDT on top to counter Rite of Flame, when perhaps the best thing to do was to let rite of flame risolve and then have access to both 0 (wasteland on top) and 1 (SDT) to counter your spells (you had like 4-5 cards in hand, so it was really probable that some of them were LEDs). But I can understand Pyroblast was unexpected.
Also, I wonder why reading your reports you don't ever draw a Rite of Flame or a Chrome Mox in the initial hand. Skill?
Joking. Have you thought about what to replace Mysticals? Infernal and Chant #4/Thoughtseize?
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How is this deck even close to viable now that Mystical Tutor is gone?
Seriously guys, its not like the deck was even dominant when it had MT, now its not even worth playing even in the proper metagame.
Don't agree? Win some tournaments and prove me wrong (doubt it'll happen).
I play tops anyway since I like the occasional storm up with them. Ponder is what I am missing. That card just annoys me sometimes, though that shuffle can be nice. It's a trade off. Only reason I mentioned the Doomsday is I am close to being able to run it and I like how you can stack out hate with it.
If you like the idea of the doomsday combo you could give some of Matt Nass' idea to thought. He put the doomsday combo in the board and sided it in vs counterbalance decks as it is good vs them and requires less cards. Also counterbalance deck usually can't support things like waste and stifle unless they are really greedy.
I'm reallyyy hoping this is some sarcasm.
If not, the deck only ran 2 mystical tutors and were often boarded out. Bryant cook placed 3rd in a 100 man event and 4th in a 70 man event in the last two weeks. If thats not results, than what is? Not to mention, the meta is turning very aggro heavy, so it is becoming the proper metagame. The reason it doesn't show up in more top 8's is because it requires more thinking than most decks, and a lot of players would rather just play zoo.
Hi everyone!
I'm thinking about getting TES done... i have a lot of the cards needed and some shop credit thanks to dredge and merfolks... i've always been a fan of storm combo, i played solidarity for a good amount of time, but now i want another challenge.
My questions are: can this deck perform playing with less than 4 LEDs ? the thing is, LED is quite expensive right now, and i can't afford the 4 of them right now; since i also have to shell out for burning wishes and chrome moxes.
Second, is there a good list you guys would recommend (no mystical tutor of course) ? And some tips on starting with the deck.
Thx in advance,
Cláudio
Read everyone of Bryant Cook's posts and lists. He's been playing the list more and longer than anyone else, and you'll get a good understanding of how the deck works and its history.
LED is pretty important for the deck, especially with Burning Wish. It becomes significantly worse without, but still playable.
Well now that mystical is banned i believe this is the storm deck to play. But as someone had mentioned i think I'll test the sb play of doomsday into Emrakul. Because it rapes counterbalance "just don't do like i did Sunday at the 5k and miss stack your pile". also you don't really NEED the draw 4 as there are plenty of ponder/brainstorm piles that work well without it and you can easily slide 1-2 tops into the main just for these piles in i don't know maybe the 2 mystical tutor slots. With the addition of the duels you can use them to keep spinning tops without depleting your counters on mine or taking damage from CoB. they can also help brainstorm in keeping your tutors out of your hand while setting up. or with 2 even be used to generate storm. And seeing as alot of lists are already running grapeshot in the board. You can try the old Helm of Awakening pile to generate exactly infinate storm against decks that gain a lot of life or just ignore Teeg, and to a lesser extent cannonist and meddeling mage. This is just my 2 cents on the doomsday sideboard.
I was just wondering if anyone would ever respond to one of my posts.
Of coarse i know the deck never was dependant on mt, I just find it odd that this is what it takes for someone to reply to my posts.
Edit: FT always took much more thought to play, and so did solidarity, zoo and agro in general are for ppl who dont want to put thought into the game. It takes a true player to play tight with a control deck for an entire tournament.
Edit2: I would like to see if anyone else besides bryanT cook can do well with this deck, he seems to be the only person putting up numbers consistently.
I was too busy putting up numbers with B/U ANT ;)
Seriously though, now that B/U ANT is dead, I think you'll see a lot more combo players playing TES, and therefore you'll see more numbers get posted.
Where weren't people responding to your posts? That first beligerant post was the first one you've had. I think you just wanted to act like an ass.
I've been putting up numbers for the last 4 or so years. If anyone else besides me ever played the deck, maybe there would be more.
@ Everyone with Doomsday - Please stop. It's terrible.
It's not worth losing sideboard space, we don't play top, Emerakul and Ad Nauseam don't play nicely together. If you want a better counterbalance match-up play more Krosan Grips.
The lands in this deck aren't meant to be tapped for top. You don't want to be winning turns 4-5 and topping every turn.
I agree with you Bryant Cook the doomsday idea is terrible and is a waste of valuable SB space. And to improve the countertop MU, you should look into pyroblast/REB. Those seem amazing against the card as shown in your feature match Bryant you play rite of flame, they top in response, then in response to them drawing with top you blast away the CB. Problem solved. And besides, when the meta shift comes, countertop will see a lot less play than it does right now thanks to ANT/storm combo decks "dying".
Gemstone mine tapping to spin a top every turn seems awful. To me, I would max out on cantrips before playing top since they are a lot better than top at finding answers. When M11 comes out, there will be 3 of these such cards in ponder, brainstorm, and preordain. That is more than enough for that kind of effect.
I also agree on the fact that very few people play TES so of course it won't be putting up as much results as ANT did since TES is a lot harder to play than ANT was when mystical tutor was legal. Now with mystical gone, more people will start picking up the deck to try it out since a lot of the people who played ANT will be looking for another storm combo deck to play unless they opt for another archetype like control or aggro.
@thefreakaccident: When mystical tutor was legal, ANT was dominating since it was so much easier to play when compared to TES. And as Bryant and others have stated, mystical tutor was a 2 of and was often boarded out for other more useful cards.
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Is there any way to make this deck a little cheaper? I'd love to play it, but it is a tad on the expensive side.
Well, TES is not going to be the only storm deck in the format. Emidln posted a lovely doomsday list, and there is already people playing mor TES-esque ANT versions with burning wish.
This doesn't take into account the effect that the unbanning of Grim Monolith might have on Belcher, and the fact that some people might move on lists that were previously playing 0 MT, like SI and Belcher.
Also, Preordein (or however you wanna spell it) might be the reason to build new storm builds with more cantrips instead of more tutors (maybe 12 cantrips + 4 tops?!?).
I'm not saying that Belcher or SI are going to be real decks in July. I'm saying that, in the end, Storm will still be played in considerable numbers (yeah, a little less, but still a good number), and TES will be only one of the possible choices. The obvious consequences will be a little less hate (just a little), and a bit more results by TES (and other storm decks).
You can play it without fetches and duals, playing 4x city, 4xgemstone, 3xundiscovered paradise.
You can play Thoughtseize or Silence (or even Pyroblast maindeck in some metas) instead of Chant.
You still have to buy LEDs and at least 2-3x chrome moxes.
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Welcome to legacy bud, its expensive. TES is one of the cheapest decks out there. There's always ways to make it cheaper, but it will no longer be competitive.
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