GP Disqualification at 13-1-2

[mujadaddy]

Craig Wescoe

Jinxed Friggin Choker.

*masturbates furiously*

[MMogg]

This is hilarious, from Yo! MTG Taps Episode 32,

It's not like he's [Wescoe] trolling for wins, he doesn't need to troll for wins, he's frickin' Craig Wescoe!

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[dontbiteitholmes]

It can be, especially if they start to request non standard (but still legal if agreed upon) shortcuts.

For example, year and years ago, I won game 1 vs. turbofog with my even more shitty deck though sheer luck. This took 35 minutes.

Game 2, he requests that I discard (multiple howling mines in play) while he draws. He basically badgered me (I was a first time guest in a store on a different coast) into playing in a way that would maximize his chances of completing game two and I went along with it, even though the margins were bad for me. For example, I couldn't inspect what he was drawing since I was busy emptying my own hand, etc.

He won game 2 for the draw during extra turns.

People who play slow decks slowly turn into ape demons if you take game one from them (especially when their decks are supposed to win pre-sideboard).

Well, that's easy. You just call a judge over and say, "Hey, could you watch our match for slowplay, thx." I never slowplay even when it would in all seriousness be in my best interest to do so. I can think of atleast 3-4 matches this year off the top of my head I could have slowplayed my way to a win and not even had a judge call it slowplay just by doing piddling shit like take a little extra time doing everything. Fortunately for my opponents I feel like winning a match by cheating isn't in my best interest, even if the cheating would be construed as legal by a judge watching my match unless I literally said I was wasting time to force a G2 draw. On the flip side of the coin I'm fairly quick to call a judge to watch for slow play and some people take offense to that. I don't think Wescoe called a judge for any reason other than he thought it could possibly win him the game, it's just that simple. I think if he had known he would have lost either way he wouldn't have said anything and I'm also 100% sure he knew he wasn't going to get a DQ for not reporting it.

[Benjammn]

So if I have digested this thread right, basically one douchebag out-douches a whiny douchebag that finally learns a lesson in humility? Sounds fine to me. People that want Craig to be offed from SCG are missing the big picture. Did anyone offer evidence that Wescoe does this regularly? Does being a scumbag affect your ability to play Magic? Absolutely not on both counts. Many pros (and people on the PTQ circuit) are perceived to be dbags by others, so how is this any different?

[dschalter]

I like how this has become a thread for the New Yorkers to trot out their insecurities. Physically threatening people= A-Okay. Asking someone to play faster and thus "forcing" them to fuck up= Unforgivable, and totally justifies being cheated out of a top 8 spot that was actually, you know earned.

Way to be, guys. You stay classy.



That doesn't even make sense on any level. Sometimes it's better to just stop talking. At least then the worst assumptions we make about you won't be justified.

Or maybe he really is a douche? It's certainly possible for people to randomly dislike others, but I tend to believe that such dislike has at least some basis in reality.

[jazzykat]

I think the guys who are happy that Drew Levin got DQed are missing the point. This is not a discussion on wether Drew Levin is a world class ass hole or is Ghandi. Whether you are happy if his dog dies or if he wins the lottery tomorrow has no bearing on what Craig Wescoe did or didn't do in this situation.

In other news: I used to have to play against a rules mongering whiney dick, so all that I did was just not say anything to him unless it was about the game. I kept my head totally in the game and ignored anything external to the game. When he tried to rush me, I would tell him I would call the judge over personally to watch the match for slow play. I would also start watching them for infractions so I could get the judge called on them. The best way to deal with an ass hole is to focus on your game and play your best. It takes a certain amount of effort to harass your opponent, and try to trip them up. Use your effort on protecting yourself and winning.

I would also suggest that if someone is continuously bad, you talk to the store owner (doesn't help at GPs). Store owners want to make money, if one guy is pissing off enough people they may be asked to leave.

[Getsickanddie]

So how did Team Left Field do at this years G.P.?

Eli came in 26th. Konsultant and Pharmacist were too hung over to play. Di attended but I don't know how he did.

I think the guys who are happy that Drew Levin got DQed are missing the point.

I got the point, and I intentionally changed the direction of the thread to suit my interests.

[juventus]

The best way to deal with an ass hole is to focus on your game and play your best.

Why aren't you focusing on your game and playing your best in the first place?

[jazzykat]

Why aren't you focusing on your game and playing your best in the first place?

I am. A lot of people, when confronted with a dick of an opponent, might lose sight of that objective and get caught up in the douchery instead of the game.

[Anusien]

Well, that's easy. You just call a judge over and say, "Hey, could you watch our match for slowplay, thx." I never slowplay even when it would in all seriousness be in my best interest to do so. I can think of atleast 3-4 matches this year off the top of my head I could have slowplayed my way to a win and not even had a judge call it slowplay just by doing piddling shit like take a little extra time doing everything. Fortunately for my opponents I feel like winning a match by cheating isn't in my best interest, even if the cheating would be construed as legal by a judge watching my match unless I literally said I was wasting time to force a G2 draw. On the flip side of the coin I'm fairly quick to call a judge to watch for slow play and some people take offense to that. I don't think Wescoe called a judge for any reason other than he thought it could possibly win him the game, it's just that simple. I think if he had known he would have lost either way he wouldn't have said anything and I'm also 100% sure he knew he wasn't going to get a DQ for not reporting it.

I wouldn't count on being able to cheat and get away with it.

[pippo84]

I did not read the whole thread, and I won't. I just read the first pages and I will just say one thing.

This is terrible! If you just lost think about why and what happened. A disqualification like this is nonsense.

[naarou]

So... you made play errors, so he's a dick?

Assuming that these hearsay half-remembered accusations are true even for a moment, what effect does that have on anything?

I (and many others) personally witnessed what the guy did to JRStheThird~ In no way is Joe implying he was forced into play mistakes, but this kid was as unsportsman as humanly possible. It was irritating to watch from 10 feet away. Joe isn't used to high pressure situations, and reacted poorly to the persistent ushering from Levin (which was instigative/provacative in nature). As soon as he got the win, he slammed his deck down and screamed something uninterpretable.

Not to mention, I also saw the event that Byrant Cook mentioned in person as well. As far as I'm concerned, people who can't be fucked to show any sign of respect shouldn't be defended in an argument and most certainly shouldn't receive any respect themselves.

Forgive the 2 day necro. :)

[Oiolosse]

I would have beat the shit outta that guy.