[Deck] Berserk Stompy

[ajfirecracker]

Groundswell is probably better than Vines of Vastwood for Berserk Stompy. Discuss.

[Masamune]

Groundswell is probably better than Vines of Vastwood for Berserk Stompy. Discuss.

It's two different things....normally the combo works togheter with berserk. VoV is better against removals and MoK is slight better than groundswell. There is a moment we cannot have any land to play in right way to give another +2

[Gui]

Groundswell is probably better than Vines of Vastwood for Berserk Stompy. Discuss.

That, ofc, depends. For monogreen, running 15 to 16 forests, VoV is way better... Also, VoV's strength lies in instant trollshroud...

But a stompy built around landfall could use it better...

[LordEvilTeaCup]

My list runs it and I'm glad I do. Sylvan helps me dig very deep for the cards I need and considering there are only 12 infect creatures in the deck..it is more necessary. It is almost always a must counter for the opponent.

In a monogreen infect deck Sylvan library indeed seems more vital, but I personally think monogreen infect is not as good as regular monogreen berserk stompy. Your list looks like an interesting start, but like you said yourself way too vulnerable and the infect creature count is very low even with sylvan library which is only a 3 of. Right now infect only works as a deck with some black, but that could change if there is more monogreen infect dudes printed in the later sets.

[Tru3z3rox]

In a monogreen infect deck Sylvan library indeed seems more vital, but I personally think monogreen infect is not as good as regular monogreen berserk stompy. Your list looks like an interesting start, but like you said yourself way too vulnerable and the infect creature count is very low even with sylvan library which is only a 3 of. Right now infect only works as a deck with some black, but that could change if there is more monogreen infect dudes printed in the later sets.

I agree. As I've stated before I'd jump for joy if they give us a troll shrouded infect dude. That would literally make the deck.

[LordEvilTeaCup]

I agree. As I've stated before I'd jump for joy if they give us a troll shrouded infect dude. That would literally make the deck.

I think we would all jump for joy if that happened. Only time will tell.

[NihilObstat]

So, how has the testing with G/R gone? The Assault Storbe + Fiend deck? My testings haven't been too good... anyone has different results?

[Tru3z3rox]

So, how has the testing with G/R gone? The Assault Storbe + Fiend deck? My testings haven't been too good... anyone has different results?

I tried a few games with it and didn't like it. I was always either waiting for red mana with red cards in hand or had red mana with no assault strobe in hand. I prefered the mono g version, but at the moment I'm testing infect pump. It is a lot faster (usually a turn 2-3 win), but is much more vulnerable to removal. I think if we went infect pump we'd need to run more VoV.

[NihilObstat]

I At the moment I'm testing infect pump. It is a lot faster (usually a turn 2-3 win), but is much more vulnerable to removal. I think if we went infect pump we'd need to run more VoV.

I think that Infect needs 4x VoV, and maybe consider http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...iverseid=74515, or http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=193970.

[Tru3z3rox]

I think that Infect needs 4x VoV, and maybe consider http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...iverseid=74515, or http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=193970.

I agree with the first statement, but not with the next. Those 2 cards are very subpar. 4 VoV could do it for now until an infect troll shrouder comes along.

[Gui]

Anyone trying to add Infect creatures to the current version, without basing the deck around infect? Then we'd use mamba or myr as final blow creatures only...

[NecroYawgmoth]

I'd use myr...


...but can you really say "Final Blow"????

That would be a bad final blow, IMO

I mean... you need to deal 10 damage in 1 blow, without having Trollshroud...

I think that Infect needs 4x VoV, and maybe consider http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...iverseid=74515, or http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=193970.

or maybe Avoid Fate ;)

[Tru3z3rox]

Vines is still simply better. I goldfish turn 2-3 with this deck (with a decent hand). I run 3 VoV though which helps a lot. Perhaps I'll up it to 4. I just tried testing against countertop...haha boy was that difficult. I went 1-2 against it. Considering everything in the deck costs 1-2 I'd say it is one of our worst match ups.

[NecroYawgmoth]

of course is VoV better...

I meant in addition, if we want more to protect our critters

[Gui]

I've been testing Tru3z3rox's suggestion, Sylvan Library, and it's really good so far...

I suggest everyone trying it out.

[LordEvilTeaCup]

I've been testing Tru3z3rox's suggestion, Sylvan Library, and it's really good so far...

I suggest everyone trying it out.

Got a list? What did you take out for it?

[Gui]

Got a list? What did you take out for it?

Got like 3 lists in test, and like other 3 in mind, all monogreen :P
Neither are Infect Stompies, since I don't think it's viable right now, with only a few possible critters

This is the first mod I did, to fit Sylvan:

// Lands
10 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills

// Creatures
4 Slippery Bogle
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Kavu Predator
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk

// Spells
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Invigorate
3 Vines of Vastwood
2 Krosan Grip
3 Sylvan Library

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 4 Vexing Shusher
SB: 3 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Reverent Silence
SB: 3 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 2 Rushwood Legate




And this is a list with both ESG and Sylvan Library, currently testing:

// Lands
10 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills

// Creatures
4 Slippery Bogle
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Kavu Predator
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk
4 Elvish Spirit Guide

// Spells
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
3 Might of Old Krosa
4 Invigorate
3 Vines of Vastwood
3 Sylvan Library

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 4 Vexing Shusher
SB: 3 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Reverent Silence
SB: 2 Rushwood Legate
SB: 2 Seeds of Innocence



Sideboards are just ideas, but are more or less balanced

[Tru3z3rox]

Glad you guys are liking Sylvan. I'm currently testing the infect stompy list. Like it a lot and with VoV I've some resilience to removal. I'm thinking it is way faster than the traditional stompy...

[LordEvilTeaCup]

The Sylvan build looks a little weird, but maybe it could work out. I am very curious to see how it panes out.

[Gui]

The Sylvan build looks a little weird, but maybe it could work out. I am very curious to see how it panes out.

What do you mean by wierd?

Well, explaining, Sylvan speeds up your combo whenever you activate it, by either getting you to fix your draw or by drawing you some useless cards so that you can find new useful ones... I just added Sylvan to my list by removing some creatures/pumps, and my list used to run Gleeful/Krosan, so it stayed there, feel free to remove.

With a creature T1 and a Sylvan T2, you got 11 cards to find a zerk + pumps for the combo, increasing your combo chances. Also, it can get you the 3rd land, if you got those mook+mook+zerk we love, but miss a forest.

When you are running out of gas, and opponent is still playing defensive, a Sylvan could turn the game by getting you more fuel to burn.

The situation in which sylvan is worse would be when you got few or no creatures, or when you wanted more creatures in the beginning instead of something that will get you more creatures in the middle of the game. OR when you got sylvan, and if it was a VoV/Seal you would win...