[Deck] Dredge

[GoldenCid]

After a time...has anybody tested this guy?

[CabalTherapy]

He has got style but...
...a 6/6 without Evasion and a (almost) pure Casualability (Deathtouch) is simply to weak.
Bringing 2 2/2 Token is nice but for example Iona "locks the door". You need something like that and not a
average token machine.

[Kage]

I Agree. Iona, FKZ, and Eternal Witness are much better DR targets anyway, not to mention that vs aggro (against which Titan would be useful) reanimating a large GGT fills basically the same role.

[GoldenCid]

He has got style but...
...a 6/6 without Evasion and a (almost) pure Casualability (Deathtouch) is simply to weak.
Bringing 2 2/2 Token is nice but for example Iona "locks the door". You need something like that and not a
average token machine.

I Agree. Iona, FKZ, and Eternal Witness are much better DR targets anyway, not to mention that vs aggro (against which Titan would be useful) reanimating a large GGT fills basically the same role.

Anyone of you tested it?

6/6 + deatouch + 2 zombies > 10/10 Gravetroll.

[popiezhius]

Anyone of you tested it?

6/6 + deatouch + 2 zombies > 10/10 Gravetroll.

Iona, Chosen, Terastodon, Primus, FKZ, EW or Hypnotist will win You the game when they ETB in certain situations. Titan will not.
While titan may be slighly better, than GGT, but it uses an additional slot, while GGT doesn't.

[maxflow2]

Iona, Chosen, Terastodon, Primus, FKZ, EW or Hypnotist will win You the game when they ETB in certain situations. Titan will not.
While titan may be slighly better, than GGT, but it uses an additional slot, while GGT doesn't.

I agree with this, but has anyone tried Sun Titan as a DR target in a Bloodghast build? I've been using him in Classic Dredge on MODO where he's been pretty insane because he can return Bazaar, triggering Bloodghasts while also dredging, or LED (which is unrestricted). But I think he might also have a place in Legacy Dredge in a build with Bloodghasts and LED. If you have mana, returning Cephalid Coliseum to play seems good, and if you have Deep Analysis in the graveyard, returning LED like you might with Witness seems good. I was thinking he could maybe replace Sphinx or Witness.

[keys]

Well, Sphinx/Witness normally occupy the same spot. Witness has an edge over Sun Titan because it can get you Breakthrough or SB cards. Maybe if you added more Deep Analyses it could work out. It's an interesting suggestion.

[SHABOOGS]

I tried out the Ichorid+Bloodghast build for quite some time and I noticed that Sun Titan in the LEDless Build was very effective. When Sun Titan hit the battlefield, I produced more tokens by sacrificing Bloodghasts from the landfall triggered by the titan. And when the titan attacks, I get my ghasts back via landfall. But when I tried to squeeze Ghast in the LED build, I noticed that I was taking more mulligans than before, which made the deck very unstable.

[Mizeri]

Wow! DTB! Now people are going to bring back their sideboards and we are gonna be dtw again.. Almost time to talk about new sideboards! The alliances black pitch spell? Removes jailer and such. You know, all the new yard hate we're gonna see. I saw a while back that some people were dropping chain for grudge. Any reasoning or is it to just force an earlier crypt or relic?

[Seraph2k]

Never play without the chain in your SB. I have seen so many Ichoriddecks lose to jailers in the last few months....

[Dune Echo]

I agree with this, but has anyone tried Sun Titan as a DR target in a Bloodghast build? I've been using him in Classic Dredge on MODO where he's been pretty insane because he can return Bazaar, triggering Bloodghasts while also dredging, or LED (which is unrestricted). But I think he might also have a place in Legacy Dredge in a build with Bloodghasts and LED. If you have mana, returning Cephalid Coliseum to play seems good, and if you have Deep Analysis in the graveyard, returning LED like you might with Witness seems good. I was thinking he could maybe replace Sphinx or Witness.

I've tested Sun Titan briefly in a Bloodghast/Ichorid hybrid deck and while Sun Titan has two advantages (a big body and the ability to put a permanent directly into play from your graveyard), keys is correct that Eternal Witness edges out Sun Titan just because it hits your sorceries as well as permanents. The ETB ability of Sun Titan to circumvent countermagic also doesn't matter versus countermagic will just counter the Dread Return. Sun Titan's ability also doesn't help you when he swings right away since none of your spells are at instant speed. He is only an I-Win-More type card rather than a key component to surviving a tough matchup.

[GoldenCid]

Wow! DTB! Now people are going to bring back their sideboards and we are gonna be dtw again.. Almost time to talk about new sideboards! The alliances black pitch spell? Removes jailer and such. You know, all the new yard hate we're gonna see. I saw a while back that some people were dropping chain for grudge. Any reasoning or is it to just force an earlier crypt or relic?

I has hate in form of creature, instant, LAND, artifact an so on...and it's still a DTB...the best deck in the format??

[CabalTherapy]

I has hate in form of creature, instant, LAND, artifact an so on...and it's still a DTB...the best deck in the format??

I don't know why Ichorid is a DTB again and Ledless Dredge isn't. But if there would be a "I like" button, I would klick on it.
It may not be the best deck in this format (sure it isn't), but it is strong enough to win against every relevant deck.
(Except Lands)

[Mizeri]

I don't know why Ichorid is a DTB again and Ledless Dredge isn't. But if there would be a "I like" button, I would klick on it.
It may not be the best deck in this format (sure it isn't), but it is strong enough to win against every relevant deck.
(Except Lands)

Lands suck. I don't think ledless dredge can auto win turn 1 thru fow with a sack of luck. Parcher dredge can! It doesn't enough.. But i have! I just wish it was more consistent. Has anyone used street wraith effectivly?

[sa17dk]

As I said in the LED-less dredge thread, I'm pretty sure this Ichorid thread is for all versions of dredge. All the threshold decks are in one thread, and the differences in the threshold builds based on color are arguably more distinct than the 6 card changes between the two dredge builds.

There arent separate threads for Big Zoo and normal Zoo, or for monoblue Merfolk and U/x Merfolk so I dont know why we still have separate threads for dredge.

[Sintheros]

Because the LED and LEDless versions are different enough. These threads should be flip-flopped, methinks.

[sa17dk]

Because the LED and LEDless versions are different enough. These threads should be flip-flopped, methinks.

What's your criteria for a significant enough difference?

[(nameless one)]

Dredge is dredge. It is played with the same principles and die to the same hate

[sa17dk]

Dredge is dredge. It is played with the same principles and die to the same hate

Exactly. I've been trying to tell people to stop bickering about why this thread made it into the DTB and the other didn't. I've been trying to invite players from both threads to come here and talk about dredge, because this thread is for all dredge players and not just "LED dredge players."

[Bischof]

Hi i'm from Germany (so please be indulgent with my terrible english) and i also play the LED version. The discussion at the german Forums were stopped like Cabal Therapy already said. So i want to post my current Decklist in this forum because of the nice arguements and replies other users got here.

So, thats my list:

Creatures:
4x Golgari Grave Troll
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Putrid Imp
4x Narcomoeba
4x Ichorid
3x Golgari Thug
2x Tireless Tribe
1x Flame Kin Zealot
1x Sphinx of lost Truth
27

Enchantments:
4x Bridge from below
4

Artifacts:
4x Lion's eye Diamond
4

Sorceries:
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Breakthrough
3x Dread Return
2x Deep Analysis
13

Lands:
4x City of Brass
4x Gemstone Mine
4x Cephalid Coliseum
12

Sideboard:
4x Ancient Grudge
4x Natures Claim
3x Unmask
1x Ancestor's Chosen
1x Terastoden
1x Ray of Revelation
1x Realm Razer
15

Normaly i play Iona but atm i'm testing Realm Razer against Lands.dec and Enchantress. I want to test Eternal Witness but i don't know what to cut.