lol? Rock = "Dark Horizons" = JunkOriginally Posted by DragoFireheart
Where are these decks? Show me a few recent top8 of a big tournaments with UBG Landstills, and without Vengvines.
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Fun Fact: If you have a Vengevine in your top 15 cards (or resolve a Survival) you beat UGB Jacestill ~100% of the time in game 1 (unless they play Extirpate maindeck). What will they do? Counter? Deed? Innocent Blood? Bounce with Jace? They have no answer to Vengevine so I am surprised to see UGB Jacestill of all decks in this thread.
Against UG Madness Jacestill might have a slim chance if they a) keep Survival of the table b) don't die to the initial assault and c) get lucky with Fatesealing away the creatures. I haven't tested that matchup so UGB might have a chance, I don't know. What I tested is UGB Jacestill against GW Survival. Overall the matchup is about 85%-90% for GW in G1. G2 gets a bit tougher because of Extirpate but with a safe 1-0 lead I am really comfortable with that matchup.
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Just adapt to the new metagame. Play less merfolks and more tempo oriented decks or combo, or just smallpox, or CB.decks.
Btw an emrakul turn two is not fair too. Nor is a turn two Iona.
Legacy is a powerful format but it is good to see changes (I don't want to see those merfolks for years...).
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I came to the same conclusion.
This. Smallpox is terrifying, at least for GW Survival.
Smallpox is terrifying for more than 50% of the format. The card is definitely underplayed.
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Wait, wasn't Junk some sort of Pikula splash Green?
And The Rock GB disruptive Aggro?
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white removal
This isn't too far off from The Rock.
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They simply have not been used yet. Merfolks pushed them out recently.
Humility says "Om-nom". If I didnt just build a new deck, I would shell out for U/W JaceStill with bridge and humility.
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Those decks get blown out by Krosan Grip
Decks dont lose solely on the basis of anti hate. Especially one with a variety of solutions, protection, and draw power like the deck I suggested.
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BUG Lists do not do well against Survival-vengevine, their removal is lacklustre and suboptimal. UWBG lists however do bash survival. Test it. My list on the thread with 4 swords and 2 paths deals with Venges very well. There's alot of action going on that thread right now and everyone running UWBG has very positive results against survival-venge (especially the players who don't play cute tricks and just streamline their decks).
Not as scary as you think. Bridge at zero is circumventable by Noble Hierarchs (+Jitte for an extra four a turn), or by just killing the thing with Qasali Pridemage. Humility is fought by recurring four 1/1 Vengevines with four 1/1 Rootwallas, which is still a decent chunk of swinging to deal with. Or, if you're UG Madness, you just counter them. Not to mention that, you know, these decks tend to pack green. Green has lots of neat boardy tricks to eat Bridge and Humility.
Oh, also, to the world? Vengevine Survival doesn't get reamed by Jacestill. I don't care what your colors are.
Survival venge is not flash. It does have bad mu's. UWBg landstill is a bad mu. I am not the only one making this claim. Most of the guys on the thread are having success in this matchup especially after extirpates postboard. Of course I will continue to be wrong until t8s show landstill to back up for my claim. Until then I will continue advertising the deck because UWBg landstill is the best deck to play if you want to beat survival.
Perhaps it's build related, then. Maybe the matchup's way better against other builds. In the 4 Enlightened Tutor version, I am having absolutely no trouble with this matchup. If I go first and stick a turn one Survival when they have no Force, it's over. If I can get two Survivals, they need a Force, a Snare, and a third blue card, or else two Forces. If I drop Mongrel/Vengevine/Rootwalla and the Vengevine gets STP'd, I've found that I can still wreak a fair amount of havoc with 2-3 mid power green creatures on the board. And I've destroyed Pernicious Deed either by fetching Seal of Primordium, Qasali Pridemage, or by flipping out an Arrogant Wurm at the right moment.
And Extirpate doesn't really frighten me. I pack Choke, Needle, and Oblivion Ring, and both Defense Grid and City of Solitude can keep Counters/Extirpate off me. Plus, if you Extirpate my Vengevines and I can stick a Survival, I can rail out quad Rootwallas and refresh them with Loaming Shaman if they get taken down. And I can just churn out 4/4 Arrogant Wurms one at a time.
EDIT: Oddly, the only matchup I've found thus far that's just a complete nightmare for me is U/G Survival Madness w/ Spell Pierce, as they tend to edge me out in the battle of making Survivals stick and win the green guy-vs-green guy battle with Wonder. Oh, and Dredge is pretty tough too.
I will not go pound for pound on the mu analysis here. We will see what happens in the coming weeks. It maybe a matter of builds, it may be a matter of pilots. I respect your thoughts and your build. I've played the mu and it works for me. Cheers.
Or you two could get on MWS and play. All this matchup talk is irrelevant anyway. Legacy comes down to whether or not you can outplay your opponent. If you lost to someone who made a play mistake, then chances are you misplayed somewhere in that game.
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