Like I said in the B/R topic, the current meta is Vengevival vs Pet decks. Once people drop their mid-range decks and start using faster decks, things will even out.Originally Posted by Shabbaman
I actually remember a few months back around the time before MT was banned on this site there was an excessive amount of whining when Vial Goblins was removed from the DTB thread. People are becoming attached to their pet decks and don't want to change, hence they will whine for Survival to be banned.
This. But in fairness, I think we all get attach to our pet decks because of the cost of buying new cards.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Defeated through legislation? Sounds like a ban is coming after all.
Fuckin great. They'll probably ban everything until Rebels are good, and then ban Lin Sivvi. :\
So its sort of "official" now...
Bye survival, was nice knowing you
Great, yust friggin great.
Somewhere Evan Irwin and all other whiners/people not willing to adapt are doing a victory dance...
If there is such a thing as too much power, I have not discovered it.” —Volrath
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I, for one, plan to continue savaging people with Vengevines even after this nonsense, unless they pre-emptively ban Intuition as well.
what if... they actually ban Vengevine and NOT survival of the fittest for some odd reason?
That said, it likely is going to be Survival of the Fittest that gets the Hammer since it is the older of the two problem children. However this will be interesting to watch unfold over the next few weeks. Apparently Star City Games has yet to notice the article though, Survival of the Fittests still cost 60 bucks >.<
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
The article isn't an official declaration and it has a "may" clause, so stop being prematurely pissed off for god's sake. Why bother shitting your pants beforehand and then look stupid (but relieved) when no bannings happen? And if something will get banned, it will happen in fixed schedule, not when you people here are crying out the loudest.
Some of my friends sell records,
some of my friends sell drugs.
okay 2 things:
1.) it was posted on the Wizards of the Coast website. While he may not work for Wizards of the Coast himself, and while it may have a "may" clause built into it. He would look really stupid if he wrote that and then it didn't happen, especially if he wrote that on the Wizards of the Coast website and then it didn't happen. Did you even stop to think about the kind of publicity that posting this kind of statement on the Wizards of the Coast Website causes even if you don't work for them outside of the capacity of an article author and Pro-Tour Historian?
2.) While it may not be guaranteed, the fact is that Survival of the Fittest is EXACTLY the kind of card that Wizards of the Coast has long attested to despising in all regards. It is worse in many ways than Mystical Tutor (which itself was recently banned). So while this statement carries the "may" clause, it also has the AIR of truth to it. And that is the important thing I think.
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
You truly cannot say anything about it, yet people behave like it was a fact. I call this kind of thinking bullshit.
People are just guessing, nothing more. I think dozens of topics and articles like this one having more than 30 pages is enough of guessing already. People haven't said anything new since the first page. And you claim that the guy writing the Chiba article wouldn't want to look stupid, hence survival will be banned? Are you serious?
Survival is basically a card making creatures relevant in modern legacy against control and combo. I have always thought that wizards supports the attack phase and creatures, so I'm not buying your speculation and reasoning.
Why cannot you just wait the official announcement and see if nothing actually happens? How many pages more do you want to speculate with this thing?
You can also try to justify your claims by reasoning: they just printed Fauna Shaman. Does it tell you that wizards is fine with survival-effects, or that they have been thinking of banning survival and are just softening the impact and giving us a lousy replacement?
Some of my friends sell records,
some of my friends sell drugs.
No I didn't say that he didn't want to look stupid... I wrote that he WOULD look stupid given who he wrote the article for and what he said in it.
And no, Survival isn't a card making creatures relevant in modern legacy against control and combo... it is a combo engine itself. If you want a card that makes creatures relevant against Control, you want Æther Vial. I am not sure there IS a card that makes Creatures viable against Combo (it certainly isn't Survival of the Fittest as Combo happens to be Survival's worst match up).
The official announcement is what? 17 days away. And yet we have an author writing on the FREAKING MOTHERSHIP that he thinks Survival (or some component of the deck) will be banned and he is writing it NOW. I think that warrants speculation at the very least.
Survival is very different from Fauna Shaman. For one thing, Survival can be used multiple times in a single turn, without the aid of Quirion Ranger or Scryb Ranger, Fauna Shaman cannot. Further Survival is an Enchantment, which is much harder to get rid of than a Creature, where as Fauna Shaman is a creature. So yes I can justify it by saying that removing Survival of the Fittest is possibly going to happen and that Fauna Shaman is a lousy attempt at a replacement.
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
@Hopo
This is sounds pretty straightforward to me...
Robrecht
Don't forget that Survival of the Fittest doesn't have summoning sickness.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Damn, yea, SURVIVAL IS GOOD ? SO ** what ? I'm not playing it, i'm sticking to Merfolk and i do fine against Vengevivals-type decks. Stop crying because there's a new good deck guys.. i MEAN.. DUDE.. It's called META-GAMING, just customize your Sideboard to beat it..
Yixilid Jailer
Hibernation
Extirpate
Krosan Grip
Pithing Needle
Peacekeeper
Countermagic
Maindeck 4x Spell Snare
Playing COMBO.
DANG, just ADAPT and stop pissing off people that bought survivals for 60 $ (I didn't.)
Also, the rise of vengivine makes some other decks viable again.
Merfolk
D&T
The rock (4 stp, 2 pte and witnesses spells doom for vines and SB dueling Grounds.)
Wombat variants.
Combo
Zoo( more mindsencors more pte and stp les lightning helix)
Show & Tell decks
Dreadstill
Landstill
If there is such a thing as too much power, I have not discovered it.” —Volrath
Founding father of Team Moosebite, the team that really bites.
Who cares about what is/not banned anymore. The official quote from the Mothership once again confirms that WotC enjoys listening to wildfire rumors and look at data within the states and continue to show their dis-support to non-USA metas (which argubly non-USA people take MTG just as seriously if not even more competitively than their US counterparts).
Although, at the very least, I am glad they are giving till after Worlds to make a decision. Good news is meta are shifting to start adapting against Survival. Bad news is with this fucking post from the mothership, EVERYONE will want to play Survival just to have one-last shot with the deck, which happens to be a good deck.
Self-fulfilling prophecies!
There's quite a lot of things to ban then from what I see:
- Entomb
- Intuition
- Burning Wish/Cunning Wish
- Enlightened Tutor
Because they all have potential to be broken cause they are TUTORs. I just find it highly annoying they are viewing the state of Legacy like it's Standard or something. There's an inherent dislike for tutors and combo from WotC, but this is fucking eternal. I'll be more and more disinterested if the format evolves to tap creatures sideways with some tighter turn 1-3 plays. It'll be like playing Standard with FoW and Daze. I don't want that. If Survival gets banned, I'll be sad, because I don't get to play all the cool decks that I've designed (Welderstone Survival, Rock Survival, Goblin Survival, Sliver Survival). I guess I won't have to waste time tweaking those crappy decks because they're probably overpowered as hell since they play Survival! (except they aren't, it's really just Vengevine that made it dumb).
Do people really not know how to use a sideboard? I suppose after this Aether Vial will get banned. Along with Wasteland, Tarmogoyf, Sword to Plowshares, and Force of Will.
Also SDT, Jace, NO and S&T. Ban EVERYTHING!!111!!one!!
Yeah, ban everything except goyf and Vial.
Wizards want's us to have a meta full of zoo, goblins and merfolk. nothing else.
If there is such a thing as too much power, I have not discovered it.” —Volrath
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