All B/R update speculation.

[tsabo_tavoc]

LOL, this isn't make a card forum and that is way too broken in Legacy, forget standard.

LOL, I remember many claimed that if the opponent cannot deal with an Enchantment until turn3 and one has a creature in hand and GGGGG to spare, he deserves winning anyway.

[dontbiteitholmes]

LOL, I remember many claimed that if the opponent cannot deal with an Enchantment until turn3 and one has a creature in hand and GGGGG to spare, he deserves winning anyway.

Well, there is no Goblin Survival. With Survival you can handle the Graveyard, stop the attack, Humility, Extirpate, ect., and 90% of the time if you can keep Survival off the board they end up with a subpar creature deck. With the hypothetical card you just take the 4 weakest cards out of Goblins and it's an alternate win-con that avoids any common hate for Goblins. Instead of having to build a deck around the card you could just take an already good deck stick 4 of that in and make it completely bonkers. So yeah, apples and oranges but I see what he was trying to do there. Cute.

[Julian23]

BDM's announcement looks a lot like if there were to actually ban Survival. Goodbye buddy, it has been a great time until that stupid Vengevine came along and disrupted all the fun we used to have :-(

/edit: from Facebook:

Federico Fieni: B&R announcement will be on-line on december 20 but this morning with your article on WotC site you give us some hints...eBay is now full of SotF '-.-
BDM: I actually have no inside info on this one. Comment was based on players insisting that something needs to happen.

[DragoFireheart]

Read in to it what you will. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/twtw/119

10. The Survival of Legacy
The banned and restricted announcement will go up on December 20 as usual—after Worlds. If any player is going to come up with a strategy to beat the Survival of the Fittest decks that have been dominating the format then the Team Competition may be the last chance that they get to do so before it is defeated through legislation.

lmao, it sounds like they are hinting at banning it.

Edit: Nvm, just some pro spouting his inane opinion.

[mossivo1986]

I find it funny that all these survival ads on E bay are still at around 50$ a piece when the clear motive is to ditch them for some value while you can. One would think if you sold your survivals for less money then your likely to still make more then when they drop and while also selling quicker.

I could be wrong though, and survival could remain unbanned.

[DragoFireheart]

BDM's announcement looks a lot like if there were to actually ban Survival. Goodbye buddy, it has been a great time until that stupid Vengevine came along and disrupted all the fun we used to have :-(

/edit: from Facebook:

Federico Fieni: B&R announcement will be on-line on december 20 but this morning with your article on WotC site you give us some hints...eBay is now full of SotF '-.-
BDM: I actually have no inside info on this one. Comment was based on players insisting that something needs to happen.

Link for the edit?

[tomjulioo]

survival is going to be banned...

as for now, the format is ok (not even sure about that therefore)
but more they print cards, more the card can be broken, and leaving this card restrain the possibilities they have to build cards

i love the card for a lot of time (when the print it) and i'm sad to have to say that...

[DragoFireheart]

but more they print cards, more the card can be broken, and leaving this card restrain the possibilities they have to build cards

This is possibly the worst argument to use in any discussion. You can apply this to any argument. Hell, maybe someday WoTC will make an equipment card called "Sneak-a-goat" that cost 1 and 1 to equip that gives the equipped goats controller the ability to draw you 3 cards every time it taps, making god damn Mountain goat a good card or possibly broken card. Everyone would start using sneak-a-goat: the meta would resolve around sneak-a-goat and protecting sneak-a-goat. People would start using cards to supplement sneak-a-goat like Springjack Pasture. Everyone would be packing hate for it like Goatnapper so you could respond to the ability so you draw 3 cards instead.

IT'D BE CRAZY!

[(nameless one)]

Im holding on to my Springjack Pasture from now it. It could be the next Undiscovered Paradise

[Koby]

but more they print cards, more the card can be broken, and leaving this card restrain the possibilities they have to build cards

We don't have knowledge of the cards that are upcoming; only WotC does.
We don't have the power to dictate B&R choices; WotC does.

We do have the power to raise hell when they make dumb inconsistent decisions regarding both. (Mythics, Mystical Tutor, yearly core sets, etc)

[Mr.C]

After thinking a bit about it, I think WotC will ban Vengevine, and unban Land Tax.

Or maybe I'm just crazy. :)

[swoop]

Land Tax wont ever get unbanned.

WOTC stated that it is a card, that makes you negate one of basic MTG principles - playing lands.
Its not fun and etc..

[Julian23]

WOTC stated that it is a card, that makes you negate one of basic MTG principles

*sees Standstill and Counterbalance giggling in the corner*

[sco0ter]

*sees Standstill and Counterbalance giggling in the corner*

next to Stasis, Armageddon, Winter Orb and Chalice of the Void?

[lorddotm]

next to Stasis, Armageddon, Winter Orb and Chalice of the Void?

Smokestacks and Trinisphere are hollering with laughter.

In all honesty, in the face off Vengevine, the only thing that Wizards will do is ban LED, Vengevine lists run LED.

[FieryBalrog]

This is possibly the worst argument to use in any discussion. You can apply this to any argument. Hell, maybe someday WoTC will make an equipment card called "Sneak-a-goat" lol Goats lol

Apparently not, since your attempt at "application" is pretty terrible.

But really, try not to get too clever when informing us about the supposed slippery slope we're skidding down. The key to making an illustrative analogy lies in understanding what "analogous" means.

[bracer028]

What do you guys see as the next card wizards might unban?

i'm thinking mindtwist. since this card isn't that broken to begin with...

i know i know...dark ritual dark ritual mindtwist argument.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I'd love them to unban Mind Twist. I dunno. Necropotence doesn't seem that scary either. We have way more busted things that cost three mana and don't require you passing the turn.

[Lemnear]

Never played with Necro, huh? Tendrils would gladly drop their ad Nauseam and Chants to run Necro and Pitch-counter. This would break Legacy ...

[bracer028]

I'd love them to unban Mind Twist. I dunno. Necropotence doesn't seem that scary either. We have way more busted things that cost three mana and don't require you passing the turn.

having necro is just broken. cannot say the same with mindtwist though. but necro...its gonna get nasty.