Okay, you do that.Originally Posted by kiblast
yeah, but apparently you did'nt understand it the first time i was writing that.
yeah i saw your listings and was impressed by how low complete sets are selling.
Little OT: Dahcmai, how much would you valuate a complete 7th edition foil set?
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You know, I thought the very same thing. This card can't keep value that long. No card that was recently printed ever stayed that high for that long but I didn't take into account the paradigmn has changed.
Jace TM is a MYTHIC RARE from a very bad set that no one, maybe not even little children want packs of. He is also ubiquitous. Consider, he is good enough to be played in Vintage. The last cmc=4 good enough to be played in Vintage was gifts and it was at least an instant! So he is obviously the stone cold nuts, is very rare, and in high demand. If he were in Zendikar it would be different because a ton of packs were opened of it.
Given, that this is the situation I bit the bullet and bought 2 a month and a half ago and wound up paying about $65 a piece shipped in NM/NM- condition. I felt liike an ass paying so much for a card (sans Vintage crap), but I love playing blue control and I do feel like I am cheating when I get to use him.
Yeah, that's why they have 54 of them. What kind of idiot is going to buy a card for $100 when they could click a button maybe 20 times and get one for $20-$25 less. You can still get a Jace for under $80 on Ebay and CF must have realized they were never gonna sell 50 Jaces at a 25% mark up because they are 93 now (good luck with that guys). It's like when someone on SGC has an article calling Vengevine a $40 card , I just have this image of a guy in a SCG shirt standing there with a gun to the guy's head, "Say it's a $40 card, and Survival is $60!" On a related note, here's my analysis of Magic cards on Ebay as of this week.
Everything related to Survival of the Fittest ↓
Every Legacy staple not Survival of the Fittest related ↑
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Jace won't go down much if at all. It's Tarmogoyf pricing on him anymore. You can treat him the same. When he's used in Extended from here, he'll be expensive as hell and then drop some afterwards, then slowly gain until it's silly again due to his uses in Legacy and Vintage. Dark Confidant, and other such useful cards did the exact same thing. Except Jace is blue, and that always gets a small premium by itself.
As for the sets, I just sell them until they start moving slowly, then that's the price. If they stop moving completely, I lower the price until they start selling again. I obviously don't sell much of 7th edition sets. Supply and Demand. If I have something older and hard to replace, I might raise it a little as a premium, but that's really how it goes. Revised and Urza's Saga are about the only sets I keep them fairly high all the time. Legends, Arabian, Antiquities, 3 Kingdoms I rarely have, so they don't really follow the same pattern either. The rest I can have several on hand at one time. I think I was sitting on 17 sets of Mirrodin at one time. lol
The ones on right now in auction mode are from a local store that the owner needs the help to pay for hospital bills from a heart attack so he's dumping them, hence the ultra low prices. Not a real good time to move things like that anyway being so close to Christmas.
$40+$60=$100
Seems like a good way to print $100 Franklins.
Jace will go down somewhere down the line, it's only a matter of time. Just don't expect it to be soon.... As long as he's played in Standard, it will stay at around 80$. I gather that the new extended isn't much more popular than the old extended format, so as soon as Jace rorates out of standard he should take a little drop, as Standard players will try to unload their playsets all at once.
Jace will be way cheaper if you wait 1.5 years and WotC brings us Duel deck: Jace VS Sorin.
PM me. I'm looking for some NM Beta stuff right now to finish off a set that we're working on in-house.
- Ben
PS: I don't envision a scenario where Survival survives the banhammer in Legacy at this point.
Well if it make you feel any better I will be seriouly bidding on your Time Walk ;) (I need that Pearl too....)
I think there's a very high chance of this happening.
It's evident now that Wizards realizes that Duel Decks is an incredibility popular product, and they want to milk as much cash out of this as possible. In addition, they do not shy away from printing the more popular PWs in DDs, Elspeth, Tezz, and Garruk are some of the most powerful/popular PWs before Jace2, and they have all been reprinted. Atm, DD jace2 is not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
So are you implying I should sell my Jace's and buy power? Number one rule in economics (according to some) is to buy low and sell high. So I can sell my Jace's at 80$ each and buy unlimited P9 for relative lows?
For power, while there may be a decrease, I feel like they will sustain some level of value indefinitely. Collectors will always exist and want a black lotus, while there won't always be players who want Vengevine, for example.
yeah, but selling p9's is always harder than selling legacy staples.
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Very true. But that is where using ebay smartly could come in handy. For example, we could sell Jace's easily on ebay without any issues. Then we could wait patiently and purchase power (maybe a Mox) at a discout via an auction. Then, when it's time to sell power, use "Buy it now" and set a competitive price relative to other BIN's.
I know fees can be a pain, but I wonder if they can't be overcome? I don't know, it was more of a theoretical question. But if we truly believe Jace's would get reprinted in a Dual Deck series, that would crash its value. I'd rather be Jace-less for a year and sell them at a high than play with Jace now and lose 100$ because I held onto them. Power, on the other hand, may drift down slightly but will not crash in value in this manner since they will never be reprinted.
Duals are probably the best investment at this point, though I fully expect there to be a replacement eventually for them. Original Force of Wills is another one that might just hold up to an eventual reprint well. The original has amazingly good artwork and a newer version is doubtful to come close to it.
Rishadan Port, Black Lotus, Sol Ring, Demonic Tutor (old pic), Force of Will, Duals, Ravnica duals, Doubling Season, Uza's Incubator, Exploration, foil and original Intuitions, original foil fetchlands, Tarmogoyf, Legends from English Legands set, DCI wastelands, Foil Counterbalances, Lion's eye Diamond, Foil Loams, Pernicious Deed, Transmute artifact, EE, and a few others are all on my stock up on list. I like to have quite a few of these at any given time.
I traded away 2x Jace last week in a deal for 3x Underground Sea that I needed to play TES (and finally make it to 40 duals). I'm not playing the game much right now and would rather trade standard-legal cards for other equivalent staples that will probably hold value better. Same reasoning made me sell my Survivals at full value and get a playset of LEDs with spare $ instead. For the player that doesn't play much competitively, there is no use to hold on to cards that will inevitably plummet somewhere down the line...
Why? I can't see any reason for their price to grow (at least other than EDH).
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Duals crashed pretty hard after peaking earlier this year. Not sure I'd want to put money into them.
What's the deal with this card? Another casual favorite? I traded away a foil version a while back, but still have a couple regular.
Heh, read what it does. It's a casual players dream card for stupid decks like Dragons, Angels, and other tribal stuff that requires too much mana to make them work. Not everyone plays tournament worthy decks and cards like this are a tabletop players wet dream. It's one of those cards like Doubling Season. For a pet cute deck, it does wonders.
Ravnica Duals are my bread and butter to the casual crowd. I sell tons of them. I mean tons. I pick them up always and they are gone in about the same amount of time. They are always good to me, but I have weird outlets for tabletop players. I have a habit of teaching tabletop players good ideas so they come back in droves. None of them really own regular duals so these are usually the next best with the fetches. I have a pretty loyal following for those numbering in the hundreds. I could probably sell over a 1000 in a month.
A foil 7th Edition set? Hmm, that's a tough one. Not sure what I would put on that. I think I would test the waters on it. Put it up at some insane price no one would pay, then lower it until it sold. That's a fairly valuable commodity so it would be worth sitting on for a time. Very tough set to put together. That one is like selling a set of three Kingdoms or Alternate 4th. There's no real precedent for it since they are so few and far between. Things like that are really hard to sell. Either no one has the money for it or has so much they already built it themselves. Ask Ben, he might have sold one. It's 1436.88 on Troll and toad and 600 something on another site. Gives you an idea of how ranged the price can be on something like that.
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