[Deck] Elves Combo

[Mr. Safety]

This is one of the reasons I don't play crop rotation. Also, once elves are out it doesn't really matter if you lose one land. The reason I have loved this deck for so long is that it is so resilient to almost any obstacle. Playing crop rotation removes spots for one drop creatures, risks wasteland, and would rarely be better than having almost any other card in the deck. It's not for my build.

Testify.

Ditto.

[NihilObstat]

But what if your Crop Rotation -> Cradle meets Wasteland and your one land hand is instantly worthless and you lose?

It doesn't matter. Cradle will either make you combo or help you fill the table up so much that you really won't care about lands, and if you are glimpsing, you will refill your hand of lands fast enough. You should never Crop for Cradle except when you are glimpsing or need to pay Regal Force, or tutor Regal, etc...

By the way, when you are comboing if Cradle is already in your hand you can always Crop for a Fetchland, and break Fetch, so you reduce 2 spots in your library, and if you are playing multicolor sideboard, you can get different colors of mana at instant speed.



On a different Topic:

Do you guys prefer going Leylie of Lifeforce to go aggro against control, or going Vexing Shusher to keep comboing anyway ?

How do you guys beat Canadian Threshold it is my most hated nightmarish pairing for this deck :S



Also:

These are my two top8s with Elves combo at the only Legacy events I play once a month. I know it's not too much people, but monoblack (tourach), and ANT really make me suffer every time. Comments on deck list? I play different finishers, because this deck so frequently fizzled while comboing so that way I can win even if I haven't reached 20 spells or 15 mana. By the way the combination of Eternal Witness + Mirror Entity + Wirewood symbiote is really CRAZY.
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...3&iddeck=39160
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...0&iddeck=38702

[Koby]

Your first link only shows 2 Thorn of Amethyst. The 2nd link shows 0.

This card is key in beating spell-based strategies, including but not limited to: Pox, Landstill, ANT, Belcher, and the like.
If you have extra sideboard space, I also recommend boarding 2-3 Elvish Spirit Guide, as playing Thorns on turn 1 is very helpful. It also sometimes lets you go off half a turn sooner.

[k2thej]

Your first link only shows 2 Thorn of Amethyst. The 2nd link shows 0.

This card is key in beating spell-based strategies, including but not limited to: Pox, Landstill, ANT, Belcher, and the like.
If you have extra sideboard space, I also recommend boarding 2-3 Elvish Spirit Guide, as playing Thorns on turn 1 is very helpful. It also sometimes lets you go off half a turn sooner.

I agree on the thorn but I'm not sure if the guides are worth the extra space. If you had 4 thorn and 4 guide in your sideboard you have a 40% chance of getting a thorn in your opening hand, and less than a 17% chance of getting both. After your opening hand against the matchups you listed, you don't need this two card "combo" anymore. So this will only help you 17% of the time and only against the decks that thron is viable against. I say just take the 40% chance of getting the thorn and then use the sb space for cards that can hold up against other decks on their own. It is always best for cards to not be dependent on eachother unless they offer some really good combo, and without thorn I think spirit guide is not worth it considering it is a dead card in anything but your opening hand.

[NihilObstat]

Your first link only shows 2 Thorn of Amethyst. This card is key in beating spell-based strategies, including but not limited to: Pox, Landstill, ANT, Belcher, and the like.

I know, but I couldn't fit the others in, which I should have.

I should have taken out the Burning Wish + Lots of sorceries from the sideboard out which is my Super Secret Ninja Tech which is totally not worth it, but I wanted to kill with Byorhythm so much. Although, Slave of Bolas was the only card able to win me a match against Dredge. I got fizzled while doing the combo, give him turn he resurrects Iona into green and smiles, saying it's my game. So I go, and he starts frightening. I Wish into Slave, make Iona into my evil Slave without "playing any green", and then beat for an aggro win.

Now I have 3 more spots in the sideboard and it's looking like:
4x Thorn of amethyst
4x Krosan grip or (1x Leyline of lifeforce)
2x Relic of progenitus or (Leyline of lifeforce)
Yixlid Jailer
Harmonic Sliver
Burrenton Forge tender
Vexing Shusher or (Leyline of lifeforce)
Dauntless Escort

[k2thej]

I know, but I couldn't fit the others in, which I should have.

I should have taken out the Burning Wish + Lots of sorceries from the sideboard out which is my Super Secret Ninja Tech which is totally not worth it, but I wanted to kill with Byorhythm so much. Although, Slave of Bolas was the only card able to win me a match against Dredge. I got fizzled while doing the combo, give him turn he resurrects Iona into green and smiles, saying it's my game. So I go, and he starts frightening. I Wish into Slave, make Iona into my evil Slave without "playing any green", and then beat for an aggro win.

Now I have 3 more spots in the sideboard and it's looking like:
4x Thorn of amethyst
4x Krosan grip or (1x Leyline of lifeforce)
2x Relic of progenitus or (Leyline of lifeforce)
Yixlid Jailer
Harmonic Sliver
Burrenton Forge tender
Vexing Shusher or (Leyline of lifeforce)
Dauntless Escort

One big advantage to this deck is that it can race GY decks, so we don't need GY hate slots in the board. I would recomment 4 thorn, 4 grip, 4 leyline, 3 fecundity. Thats the best board I have come up with so far, though I am sure it could be better.

[Neil]

Hi guys I was wondering if you could give me some advise on the list I've been playing.

Creatures:
Elvish Archdruid x 4
Priest of Titania x 4
Llanowar Elves x 3
Fyndhorn Elves x 3
Heritage Druid x 3
Elvish Spirit Guide x 4
Sylvan Messenger x 3
Elvish Visionary x 3
Quirion Ranger x 3
Wirewood Symbiote x 3
Joraga Warcaller x 3
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn x 1

Spells:
Glimpse of Nature x 4
Concordant Crossroads x 2

Artifacts:
Staff of Domination x 2
Cloudstone Curio x 2

Lands:
Forest x 13

Sideboard:
Elvish Champion x 1
Vexing Shusher x 2
Thorn of Amethyst x 3
Krosan Grip x 4
Brittle Effigy x 2
Relic of Progenitus x 2
Tormod's Crypt x 1

Feedback is appreciated. Thanks

Since nobody else helped him I guess i'll do it xD

Okay first off all the deck list seems like you haven't deiced wether to play Aggro or Combo elves... If you do decide to go combo, elves take out
2 Joraga Warcallers 1 is good enough. Why aren't you running 4 nettle sentinels?? They are what make heritage druid worth while and pretty much the back bone for combo elves. Take out the Artifacts and Concordant Crossroad and instead put in 4 Summoner's Pact, 1 regal force, and 1 more Lanowar. Also don't run Sylvan Messenger they put Glimpses and good non-elf cards at the bottom of your deck.... Make sure you have 4 of Quirion, Wirewood, and Visionary.

[k2thej]

Since nobody else helped him I guess i'll do it xD

Okay first off all the deck list seems like you haven't deiced wether to play Aggro or Combo elves... If you do decide to go combo, elves take out
2 Joraga Warcallers 1 is good enough. Why aren't you running 4 nettle sentinels?? They are what make heritage druid worth while and pretty much the back bone for combo elves. Take out the Artifacts and Concordant Crossroad and instead put in 4 Summoner's Pact, 1 regal force, and 1 more Lanowar. Also don't run Sylvan Messenger they put Glimpses and good non-elf cards at the bottom of your deck.... Make sure you have 4 of Quirion, Wirewood, and Visionary.

Sooo basically run my list that a lot of people are running:




4 Birchlore Rangers
3 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Summoner's Pact

6 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs


Anyone else have a variant of this using with they want to post? I'd like to see other ideas on how to integrate it. As awesome as it is conceptually, I haven't found a build with a better average goldfish yet.

[(nameless one)]

Hey k2thej,

What happened at the Living Wish variant?

[k2thej]

Hey k2thej,

What happened at the Living Wish variant?

Still working on it. As I said above, I haven't found a build with a better average goldfish than my previous build yet.

[ummon]

Still working on it. As I said above, I haven't found a build with a better average goldfish than my previous build yet.

But Elves combo goes off usually on turn 3. That's fast enough to beat all aggro decks. I'd think a list running Living Wish would be preferable even if it is a tad bit slower because it gives you access to wishboard answers against problem cards like Counterbalance. Especially game 1, wishes are great in combo decks because of their flexibility.

[Neil]

Here is my deck-list. It is slightly different than k2thej's list. I personally think it would be slightly faster than his, but because I don't run Archdruid I won't have a good enough aggro fall back game 1. If Survival wasn't banned, my old deck list was gold-fishing 32% turn 2, 64% turn 3, and 4% turn 5. I tried about 35 gold-fishes.


1 Viridian Shama
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Lanowar Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Eternal Witness
3 Birchlore Rangers
4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Priest of Titania
1 Joraga Warcalller
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

Lands:

2 Gaea's Cradle
8 Forest
3 Verdant Catacombs


I would run more fetch lands if it wasn't for budget restrictions

I'll be playing in the SCG San Jose open tomorrow. So i'll try to post a tournament report afterwards.

[k2thej]

Here is my deck-list. It is slightly different than k2thej's list. I personally think it would be slightly faster than his, but because I don't Archdruid I won't have a good enough aggro fall back game 1.


1 Viridian Shaman
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Lanowar Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Eternal Witness
3 Birchlore Rangers
4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Priest of Titania
1 Joraga Warcalller
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

Lands:

2 Gaea's Cradle
8 Forest
3 Verdant Catacombs


I would run more fetch lands if it wasn't for budget restrictions

I'll be playing in the SCG San Jose open tomorrow. So i'll try to post a tournament report afterwards.

It's a pretty good list. You need one of the eleven non-cradle lands in your opening hand though, which is very risky. It's your call but I highly recommend archdruid.

[Neil]

It's a pretty good list. You need one of the eleven non-cradle lands in your opening hand though, which is very risky. It's your call but I highly recommend archdruid.

Yeah it is risky, but I haven't had to mull that often because of it and it has given me many turn 2 combos.

[k2thej]

I do like being risky...I just minimized the lands in my deck as much as I could while keeping it functional. If you can make it work with 11 non cradles though, more power to ya.

[Lieselotte]

Hey,

here ist my Decklist:

Lands:

13 Forest


Creatures (35):

3 Birchlore Rangers
4 Elvish Visionary
1 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
4 Fyndhorn Elves
3 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Priest of Titania
4 Quirion Ranger
3 Wirewood Symbiote


Spells (12):

1 Brain Freeze
3 Concordant Crossroads
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Summoner's Pact


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Sideboard:

4 Krosan Grip
2 Relic of Progenitus
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Tormod's Cript
3 Elvish Archdruid


Meta is changing from Survival, Dredge and TES to Couterbalance, Meerfolk and some other Control and Aggro Decks.

[k2thej]

Woo! Alright so I finally think my wish build is at least post worthy, though certainly not final. Here is where I am currently at. Wish has helped a lot. Lets start the conversation!


4 Birchlore Rangers
3 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Glimpse of Nature
3 Living Wish
4 Summoner's Pact

6 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs

SB:
1 Caller of the Claw
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Eternal Witness
1 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
1 Masticore
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Viridian Shaman

[Neil]

Woo! Alright so I finally think my wish build is at least post worthy, though certainly not final. Here is where I am currently at. Wish has helped a lot. Lets start the conversation!


4 Birchlore Rangers
3 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Glimpse of Nature
3 Living Wish
4 Summoner's Pact

6 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs

SB:
1 Caller of the Claw
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Eternal Witness
1 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
1 Masticore
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Viridian Shaman

List looks good. As soon as I get back from the tournament tomorrow I'll try working on my own build.
I have one comment on the list though. Do you think making the main win con susceptible to counter spells is okay? What I mean is because you have to use living wish to find emrakul. Living wish can be countered and you won't be able to get emrakul.

[k2thej]

List looks good. As soon as I get back from the tournament tomorrow I'll try working on my own build.
I have one comment on the list though. Do you think making the main win con susceptible to counter spells is okay? What I mean is because you have to use living wish to find emrakul. Living wish can be countered and you won't be able to get emrakul.

If they have a counterspell, they will use it on glimpse, so if they let you get to Emrakul they got nothing.

[Waikiki]

Wouldn't you play a regal force side aswell? Perhaps a vexing shusher would be nice aswell