Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 114

Thread: Saito stalling at GP

  1. #41
    Shake that.
    Skeggi's Avatar
    Join Date

    Mar 2008
    Location

    Amsterdam
    Posts

    2,047

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Sims View Post
    Because it seems to be a commonly held opinion in Europe that everyone who wants to protect and look after themselves is a Militia Gun-Nut despite there being ways of doing so that have nothing to do with firearms.
    That's not true. I made that remark because he (unintentionally) quoted the militia gun-nut interviewed in Bowling for Columbine. I was hoping someone would reckognize it...
    If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably delicious.
    Team ADHD-To resist is to piss in the wind. Anyone who does will end up smelling.

  2. #42
    Tap 2, Standstill. Good?
    kiblast's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jul 2010
    Location

    Somewhere in Europe.
    Posts

    1,232

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Sims View Post
    Because it seems to be a commonly held opinion in Europe that everyone who wants to protect and look after themselves is a Militia Gun-Nut despite there being ways of doing so that have nothing to do with firearms.
    but we europeans seem to forget that kiddies in Italy or in France, or in East europe would need a knife with themselves hundreds times more often than in usa..just to make police rendez-vous a bit more fair....just sayin.
    ok, i stop it.

    btw, Pros in Mtg are like major football teams in europe....they can stretch rulings till one second before the breaking point, and who judges simply close his eyes if nobody tell him that maybe something is wrong....c'mon, 5 minutes to side 3 cards? who are you? Deep Blue challenging Kasparov?
    Are you into Jazz? Have a look at the Lp's I have for sale on Discogs!

  3. #43
    is the freaking Zoo-ru!
    Loxodon Baileyarch's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jun 2008
    Location

    Good ole boondocks, GA
    Posts

    479

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Speaking of Judge Dredd. They're remaking it with Karl Urban as Dredd. Doesn't seem too bad for an action movie, considering that's all the roles he has done.
    Dead or Alive, you're coming with me.
    -Robocop-

  4. #44

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Um, society. This is why we don't live in caves and shit in the woods. If a burglar shows up to your house and begins beating you with a socket wrench, the cops don't shrug and tell you to take care of your own problems. If a hurricane blows through town and knocks over your house, the EMTs don't spout Ayn Rand isntead of saving your ass.

    If I see someone cheating you, I'm going to get a judge. Because I'm not a douchebag.

    Maybe some people need a little lesson.
    Not that this is the forum for it but you have a very misconstrued idea of what objectivism is. "Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others. These are not primaries, but consequences, which, in fact, altruism makes impossible. The irreducible primary of altruism, the basic absolute, is self-sacrifice--which means; self-immolation, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-destruction--which means: the self as a standard of evil, the selfless as a standard of the good."

  5. #45
    *
    DarthVicious's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jun 2010
    Location

    Central NY
    Posts

    358

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    I never go easy on my opponents, no matter how new they are in large events. I used to get my ass monkey-stomped years ago trying to get very good at this game, and I paid a lot of money and spent a lot of time doing it. It's only fair the pain gets dished out two-fold; it's the only way to learn in pressure-filled scenarios in a legitimate tournament situation.
    Quoted for truth. Trial by fire is the best way to learn anything.

    Also, I would've told Saito to slap himself and get a move on. Then called a judge if he kept it up.

  6. #46

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    You have to call a judge in any situation that you think is wrong.
    I've called a judge twice now on the game next to me. Resolving mulligans at the start of a game and I notice they are holding 8 cards and keeping their hand? Yeah, I'll call a judge and that happened twice to me now so I'm pretty sure there are more people doing this.
    I've had a vigilance creature in GP Paris in 2009 and tapped it for attack several times as I didn't know yet. I lost the game due to that and next game I read it has vigilance. I laughed at it and told my opponent, he said he knew and a few minutes later I called myself a victor and he learned that it's cheating.

    Basicly the rules are that you can take a set amount of time for any decision, no matter the complexity. Being in a really complex situation shouldn't change the time you take for making a decision. I guess it also works the other way around? But just call a judge and ask if he watches. Your opponent will spead up his game anyway due to the presence of the judge.

    Also, it's not because a judge is standing at your table that he's actually watching your game. He could be asked to check for slowplay on the table next to you and to not notify the slowplayer stand a bit aside.

  7. #47
    Trample, Haste
    pippo84's Avatar
    Join Date

    Mar 2009
    Location

    Italy
    Posts

    467

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by kiblast View Post
    but we europeans seem to forget that kiddies in Italy or in France, or in East europe would need a knife with themselves hundreds times more often than in usa..just to make police rendez-vous a bit more fair....just sayin.
    ok, i stop it.

    btw, Pros in Mtg are like major football teams in europe....they can stretch rulings till one second before the breaking point, and who judges simply close his eyes if nobody tell him that maybe something is wrong....c'mon, 5 minutes to side 3 cards? who are you? Deep Blue challenging Kasparov?
    MOGGI!!!!!!

    Anyways, he should have called the Judge. If he tought that the opponent was stalling he should have done it. Who cares if you're playing against a pro or you arent? Rules should be the same for everyone...

    I really hate playing against slow players, a friend of mine is really slow at playing and I hate it.. In a tournament call a judge.
    Team Stimato

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    He told you a foil from Time Spiral was Summer?
    This man must be a Jedi.

  8. #48
    Member
    Forbiddian's Avatar
    Join Date

    Nov 2003
    Location

    San Diego
    Posts

    1,377

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    The judge should have been called.


    I wonder why the people, who were apparently there and are now tweeting about how much of a cheater Saito is, did nothing.

  9. #49
    Member

    Join Date

    Mar 2010
    Location

    faster harder Scooter!
    Posts

    101

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbiddian View Post
    The judge should have been called.


    I wonder why the people, who were apparently there and are now tweeting about how much of a cheater Saito is, did nothing.
    Part of it is some of them being starstruck, part is just people who didn't see a damn thing and are now talking in hindsight. Hindsight is always perfect.

  10. #50
    Member

    Join Date

    Nov 2007
    Location

    Finland
    Posts

    798

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbiddian View Post
    The judge should have been called.


    I wonder why the people, who were apparently there and are now tweeting about how much of a cheater Saito is, did nothing.
    Because they are retards and/or do not have the needed understanding of the tournament rules. It's a very fundamental thing in tournament Magic to call a judge if in doubt. Nowadays you can even do that as an outsider. Simply put, there is no good reason not to do that.
    Some of my friends sell records,
    some of my friends sell drugs.

  11. #51

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopo View Post
    Because they are retards and/or do not have the needed understanding of the tournament rules. It's a very fundamental thing in tournament Magic to call a judge if in doubt. Nowadays you can even do that as an outsider. Simply put, there is no good reason not to do that.
    Yeah, becuase there aren't threads on the internet where a multitude of people bash players for calling a judge. Craig Wescoe hasn't been publically raked over the coals for calling a Judge for what he heard Drew Levin say. Matt Nass hasn't had a bunch of people insulting him or anything for calling a judge when his opponent had 4 foil hell's thunders as the only foils in their deck. There's definitly blowback from calling a judge. There shouldn't be, but there is.

  12. #52
    Member

    Join Date

    Feb 2004
    Location

    Clifton Park, NY
    Posts

    2,690

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    That's not true. I made that remark because he (unintentionally) quoted the militia gun-nut interviewed in Bowling for Columbine. I was hoping someone would reckognize it...
    Never seen it, or any of his movies actually. I do apologize for the misunderstanding, but i have noticed on many forums and public outlets much of Europe seems to have a very interesting view on American firearm laws. I have been called a Cowboy many times just because I own firearms... and I don't even carry.

    But again, I apologize for not picking up on the reference.
    Team Albany: What's Legacy?

    You cannot know the sweetness of Victory, without first dwelling in the agony of Defeat.

  13. #53

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Why would anyone pick up on that reference? No one watched that movie for good reasons.

  14. #54
    Yo sé, mi español es terrible :S
    ummon's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jun 2010
    Location

    East SF Bay, CA (Summer and Winter breaks) or Austin, TX (college)
    Posts

    201

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by citanul View Post
    Why would anyone pick up on that reference? No one watched that movie for good reasons.
    Are you trying to start a flamewar or something? Everyone I know in nor-cal has watched Bowling for Columbine.

    Anyways, I think the problem here is that Saito is one of the pros that Bill Starkington likes so much. Thus, he plays as a pro by bending or breaking the rules as far as he can. That is the difference between a pro and a good but not pro magic player.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRock View Post
    Regardless of Threshold variant though, CB = , , and .
    Quote Originally Posted by kiblast View Post
    c'mon, 5 minutes to side 3 cards? who are you? Deep Blue challenging Kasparov?

  15. #55
    ಠ_ಠ
    Pastorofmuppets's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jul 2009
    Location

    NJ
    Posts

    1,124

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpened View Post
    Yeah, becuase there aren't threads on the internet where a multitude of people bash players for calling a judge. Craig Wescoe hasn't been publically raked over the coals for calling a Judge for what he heard Drew Levin say. Matt Nass hasn't had a bunch of people insulting him or anything for calling a judge when his opponent had 4 foil hell's thunders as the only foils in their deck. There's definitly blowback from calling a judge. There shouldn't be, but there is.
    Those were really dick technicalities. There was no evidence that Levin actually bet on the match, and most of the time players aren't called on having one foil card in their deck (If that were the case, pimped decks with duals would be a whole lot less common)
    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    ... It feels like a bummer to spend so much time not talking about the game and more time arguing over whether Dega or Mardu is the better name for a three color deck you'll never see in Legacy.

  16. #56

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by ummon View Post
    Anyways, I think the problem here is that Saito is one of the pros that Bill Starkington likes so much. Thus, he plays as a pro by bending or breaking the rules as far as he can. That is the difference between a pro and a good but not pro magic player.
    That still doesn't justify his actions. No matter how much you think you can bend the rules, if a judge sees that what you're doing is undermining the floor rules that have been set in place or attempting to bend the rules and take advantage of their "leeway" by allowing specific actions to breach a certain extent, then yes: A judge can issue a warning for those kinds of actions if they see fit.

    It doesn't matter what skill of play you bring to the table; everyone follows the rules and adheres to the Head Judge's standards (as well as D.C.I. standards; effectively one in the same).

  17. #57
    Member

    Join Date

    Feb 2004
    Location

    Clifton Park, NY
    Posts

    2,690

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Pastorofmuppets View Post
    Those were really dick technicalities. There was no evidence that Levin actually bet on the match, and most of the time players aren't called on having one foil card in their deck (If that were the case, pimped decks with duals would be a whole lot less common)
    To be fair, I don't really see the win that Ness got as a dick technicality. There were 4 foils in the kids deck, the kid drew all 4 of them in 1 game, they were all the same card. Knowing the way foils warp and bend, it stands to reason they were distinguishable from the rest of the deck, otherwise the judge wouldn't have deemed them to be marked cards. I would have made this same judge call.
    Team Albany: What's Legacy?

    You cannot know the sweetness of Victory, without first dwelling in the agony of Defeat.

  18. #58
    Yo sé, mi español es terrible :S
    ummon's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jun 2010
    Location

    East SF Bay, CA (Summer and Winter breaks) or Austin, TX (college)
    Posts

    201

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    That still doesn't justify his actions. No matter how much you think you can bend the rules, if a judge sees that what you're doing is undermining the floor rules that have been set in place or attempting to bend the rules and take advantage of their "leeway" by allowing specific actions to breach a certain extent, then yes: A judge can issue a warning for those kinds of actions if they see fit.

    It doesn't matter what skill of play you bring to the table; everyone follows the rules and adheres to the Head Judge's standards (as well as D.C.I. standards; effectively one in the same).
    I guess I didn't state myself properly. I'm complaining that pros are no better than good non-pros, except that they cheat (sort of).
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRock View Post
    Regardless of Threshold variant though, CB = , , and .
    Quote Originally Posted by kiblast View Post
    c'mon, 5 minutes to side 3 cards? who are you? Deep Blue challenging Kasparov?

  19. #59
    Admin
    Jander78's Avatar
    Join Date

    Oct 2003
    Location

    Redondo Beach, CA
    Posts

    3,081

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Sims View Post
    To be fair, I don't really see the win that Ness got as a dick technicality. There were 4 foils in the kids deck, the kid drew all 4 of them in 1 game, they were all the same card. Knowing the way foils warp and bend, it stands to reason they were distinguishable from the rest of the deck, otherwise the judge wouldn't have deemed them to be marked cards. I would have made this same judge call.
    At Pro-Tour level events, foil cards can at times be considered marked cards since they can bend and be obvious (especially if it's the top card of your library). The judges can, and have, enforced rules to make people swap them out with the regular versions of the card (or given infractions). From what I've heard from most Pros, you either play a deck that has no foils or is all foils.
    Monday Night Magic: http://rfimd2000.tripod.com/images/mnm/mondaynight.htm

    Team
    Left
    Field

  20. #60
    ಠ_ಠ
    Pastorofmuppets's Avatar
    Join Date

    Jul 2009
    Location

    NJ
    Posts

    1,124

    Re: Saito stalling at GP

    Quote Originally Posted by Jander78 View Post
    At Pro-Tour level events, foil cards can at times be considered marked cards since they can bend and be obvious (especially if it's the top card of your library). The judges can, and have, enforced rules to make people swap them out with the regular versions of the card (or given infractions). From what I've heard from most Pros, you either play a deck that has no foils or is all foils.
    Is it possible to ask for proxies if you show that you only own foil versions of the card?
    Also, who remembers the Vendilion Clique Caper with Martin Juza? I mean, some rulings are plain dumb. How is it cheating if your opponent flashes their hand to you? If anything, they're revealing information that they shouldn't be (which is like a warning or something).
    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    ... It feels like a bummer to spend so much time not talking about the game and more time arguing over whether Dega or Mardu is the better name for a three color deck you'll never see in Legacy.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)