I'm wondering if it's a friend of mine. The name is similar, but not exact. I know that he use to browse these forums....Originally Posted by menace13
If any of you guys can translate what's on this site, that would be awesome! I wish I could read Japanese....lol
Durrr. Here you are:
http://translate.google.com/translat...116.fc2.com%2F
Google translate doesn't work that well with my system (Fedora), for whatever reason.
I can see the variety of decks that appeared though. Quite the meta; looks like it was a pretty good tourney.
That's awesome that Reanimator came in first in the large Japanese tournament. When will we have the list?
I really like this list a lot. It seems extremely well thought out, much faster than all the Lim Dul's Vault lists and more consistent than all the Welder based lists people keep posting, and every card in it plays it's role perfectly.
^ Agreed. I'm surprised at the lack of Stormtide Leviathan in most reanimator lists. In testing, it's shown better results than Platinum Emperion and Blazing Archon for me.
Of course
- Platinum Emperion is better with Goblin Welder.
- Blazing Archon is better against fish.
That's being meta-specific. My testing has been against the generalized populace.
Platinum Emperion and Stormtide Leviathan don't protect you from Emrakul, Blazing Archon does.
"Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"
With stormtide leviathan you still lose to emrakul and more importantly merfolk.
blazing archon is able to hose both. while also being able to stop most other decks like stormtide can.
For legacy the archon is way stronger than stormtide.
Platinum emperion is crap, there's hardly any deck where I want this one instead of anything else.
please name me a single deck where stormtide leviathan is better than any other option available for reanimate already included.
- sphinx of the steel wind
- iona shield of emeria
- blazing archon
name it.
Dredge. I would rather have Stormtide against Dredge due to the SImps clogging the air.
^ I agree with Emrakul.
^Also better against Tendrils-based combo.
In most situations.
Stormtide is a faster clock than Archon as well. Going into a blind meta, of course I'm going to play Archon.
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Iona wins those games easily as well.
emperium loses against burning wish (name a single TES deck that has no artifact hate for wishboard)
After sidebaording an emperion does nothing except catch bounce, good luck after that vs ANT
Against dredge you can wait for ages and ignore the imps untill you get a second creature out, namely sphinx of the steel wind. It buys you that much time.
mostly you can beat before they realize they can play that imp and block.
This is why he plays all 3..... so he can entomb the one he needs. They are all better in certain situations.
Stormtide has Islandwalk.
p.s. Putrid Imp mostly cant block. Plz know ur stuff if your going to post. However, dredge players will TRY to block.
While we are on the topic, the best way to beat dredge is extirpate bridges, Iona -> black then blazing archon.
So I think that if you are playing the non-welder version you are better off running less artifact creatures for the simple reason that it opens you to less hate.
Thunder dragon is also a contender, but id only use him if I didn't already own an archon.
Only posts when drunk.
Dude SImp means probably Stinkweed Imp -.-
Perhaps you should read before posting?
U try getting to 3 lands in a deck that plays 16 lands or less and never draws a card.
The non welder version runs animate dead, which dies to the same hate as artifact creatures in most cases.So I think that if you are playing the non-welder version you are better off running less artifact creatures for the simple reason that it opens you to less hate.
Dredge does that...if they don't blazing archon easily goes all the way since the deck has no blockers at all...and most importantly not attackers!
I still have a classic non-welder list laying around.
No animate dead involved, since it's absolutely not needed.
Also I'd choose either blazing archon or stormtide leviathan since they both are trying to do the same, stormtide creating a faster clock, while blazing archon shuts down a damn lot more. Stormtide really is just a bit "meh", it just doesn't do it.
You really don't improve a match-up that blazing archon cannot take care off.
Even in nowadays legacy meta, iona is by far the best target, followed by sphinx of the steel wind and blazing archon.
There's abuttload of creatures behind it, but they're all "okay", nothing more than just "okay"
And when sex is "just okay", you aren't satisfied either. be picky.
terastodon,
it that betrays,
stormtide leviathan,
akroma,
angel of despair.
They simply don't cut it, except that akroma kicks ass against certain decks.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm talking about classic builds, not the welder variants, since I have not tested any welder variant.
Agree, the only creatures you NEED are Sphinx (Agro), Iona (combo), Inkwell (control), Archon (merefolk).
1 Terastadon in the board is good vs random things, edicts, and combo (1 turn clock). Woodfall Primus plays much the same roll
Havent tried Myr Battlesphere yet. If its good enough for vintage it is probably good enough for legacy so its probably worth trying.
You cant take your time against Dredge with any target. They will get to 3 lands and will play S.Imp not only that but Moebas can block flyers too and leave behind 1-4 tokens. Or Therapy, Ichorid+Token beats until they Chain of Vapor your creature.
Iona on black is fine against them, but then you can still get blown out by Breakthrough and/or Colesium.
Battlesphere seems okay, although i can not think where I would go for Battleball in Legacy(It's good in Vintage when you need to Tinker with Jace on the board and will almost always be unblocked) that another creature the deck plays wont be better.
Animate Dead seems better than Reanimate or Exhume against Merf and Gobs.
IMO, hapless researcher >>>> putrid imp. You can dump it to FoW, it can actually block stuff and it draws you a card otherwise the list is perfect
There's a trick with Putrid Imp that you can't do with Hapless Researcher. When you play something like Exhume, and they remove your target in response, then you can put another target in the bin in response.
"Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"
Why can't you do that with Hapless Researcher as well? Exhume, creature you want gets exiled, so you sac the Researcher, draw a card, and then discard another creature to bring back with the original Exhume. Is there something I'm missing?
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