I think Nexus is a Contructed only card. The interaction with Elspeth may be playable, but I don't think it's tier 1 and I certainly don't think it's strong enough to hold the card at the $15 it currently goes for after it rotates out of Extended. Contrast it with Mutavault which is currently still in Extended and still barely holding at $15.Originally Posted by dahcmai
Tezz, I hope he's not the next Jace but I think after Jace rotates he might be. I don't think he has the Legacy playability of Jace though since you have to build the deck around him.
Go For The Throat- I agree it's probably worth picking up and will probably go up from where it is now, but I get the feeling it will get reprinted at some point since it was given such a generic name and it still fits the Terror 2.0 model that black removal is moving to.
Steel Sabotage- I agree this card will find it's place eventually most likely in Vintage where Annul still sees play from time to time and SS is just way better since artifacts are 100x more played than enchantments.
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I think everyone should keep an eye on Null Rod, if MUD becomes a popular deck in legacy then that thing will jump a lot.
I've been advocating the use of Null Rod in sideboards for years now. People still haven't cought on.
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He exaggerated but the point remains, vintage decks pretty much either have 0 or 4 enchantments. The majority of all vintage decks have between 8 and 42 artifacts.
You can use it as an Entomb for an artifact. Very handy with Goblin Welder. But I am presuming you mean the sacrifice is not a cost bit. That is a nice bonus. Good call!
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Steel sabotage is underwhelming. It's only use is in TPS so generate storm, but then repeal is much much better.
In my opinion it will see play in U based control. Fish too will love it.
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Tell me which artifact you'll bounce.
I don't play very much fish aside for testing purposes but: DSC, BSC, Metal Worker, Lodestone Golem, Memory Jar in response to a draw 7, vault or key to buy a turn, hellkite when shops opens the dream of workshop + lotus, among other things....
Easily Time vault in resp to activation to save your ass one turn, or if you menaged to tutor/find/draw a FoW, to counter it when your opponent tries to cast it.
Also preventing yourself to die from Mana Crypt seems pretty obvious.
Personally I'm running it in 1x maindeck in my Jacerator (not a true Jacerator, various slots change) list, and 1 more in SB. Keep in mind that this little gem doesn't only bounce, but counters too. And since I'm running full 5 Waste/Strip, I love to counter Lotus or Moxes to keep opponent in denial/low resources.
Also bounces some Tinker Robots. I think it's fair.
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I figured Steel Sabotage as one of those cards like Repeal. Repeal isn't a heavy mover or some super rare, but it's fairly expensive compared to a lot of foil commons despite it's limited usage. It's one of those commons that if you want to pimp it out later, you will pay for it. Much more than if you got them now. Best example I could think of. SS isn't a format shaker by any means, but it's got it's uses. It's mana cost practically demands it will be used from here on out in some form or another when those pesky artifact creature or enchantment decks pop up.
If you are referring to Legacy, it will hardly see use. Its natural place is Vintage.
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I see SS being used in Legacy more than in Vintage. The power level of SS is simply too low. In Vintage, you want mass-artifact bounce (Hurkyll's Recall or Rebuild), or you want something that cantrips (Repeal). Steel Sabotage has utility, but not the kind of utility you want. I would much rather have Spell Snare. Spell Snare counters Sphere of Resistence, Thorn of Amethyst, Oath of Druids, Time Vault, Hurkyll's Recall, Mana Drain, Demonic Tutor, and a shit ton of other cards. Steel Sabotage counters a mox or time vault, or 1 of 60 permanents from workshop.dec (They will outmuscle you with permanent war unless you have mass bounce). Even if the odd chance you can bounce a BSC occurs too frequently, people will simply start playing Inkwell Leviathan again.
Steel Sabotage in legacy can atleast reset aether vials or counter them, or screw mox diamonds, or counter LED, or bounce an equipment (Not SOFI).
I'm not saying it will see play in legacy, because it won't. But I will say that it would see play in legacy sooner than in vintage.
EDIT: If it was Brown Elemental Blast, the card would be good. Against Mox Diamond and Aether Vial, it is a Brown Elemental Blast. This is why I see the card for legacy before I see it for Vintage
Yeah, but if your plan against Merfolk is resetting their Vial, and your plan to combat Loam is bouncing their Mox, you're doing it wrong. Bouncing a Mox It's hardly something gamebreaking, I'd say it's a really underwhelming plan. I think it's useless to run SS in legacy sideboard: the best things you can board in Legacy to fight artifacts iare still Kataki / Energy Flux / EE. For Vintage, I am not saying that SS> Hurkyl's or Rebuild, it is just an interesting different take on the ''artifact bounce'' theme, but with a bonus.Hurkyl's and Rebuild just delays your problem 1 turn (I'm not taking in consideration TPS where they can abuse bouncers to generate mana and storm count) while this card offers the possibility of countering too. In certain MU's it's obvious that mass bouncers are better, but SS could be a nice generic answer to artifact threats.Moreover, I can't see how can you compare it to Spell Snare, which is a totally different card that accomplishes different task.
I'm not advocating it's use in 4x in each blue based control deck you can build, I'm just saying it's good and I think it will be played, maybe as a 1 of or 1/1 split main/side.
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Consensus on the Mana Drain is that Steel Sabotage is a very good card, and will see alot of play. The issue is that MUD decks are very prevailent in the format right now and are definitely the deck to beat. Steel Sabotage only costs 1 mana, which is far better very 13 SPhere+Wire.dec that any mass boucne spells. Being able to counter early spheres and Lodestone Golems is key in that matchup, or you just get to a point where you can't cast spells at all. It's also very maindeckable, unlike Annul, because it lets you bounce Tinker robots, which are one of the most common wincons in the format. Repeal is useless vs modern builds of Vintage MUD, and obviously useless vs Tinker robots as well. It's the real deal, and Foils should go for a really good premium eventually.
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