[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

[(nameless one)]

I think the reason why people think Candelabras are expensive is because the ability to use it multiple times. I was watching a match that features 12post and Candelabra and he used Candelabra without tapping it. You have to tap Candelabra when you use it! Check it's Oracle.

[Pippin]

Recruiters are not 150$ for Aluren, but for Imperial Painter. Aluren is really underplayed at the moment at least in its Rec Version.

Do you realize that you are predicting Candelabra to go for the same price of 2 Jaces? and do you realize the immense gap of power between those 2 cards? Sure Candelabra could fetch 150$+ if some deck using it wins some big tournament, but I don't think it's worth even the half of that price. Also is very unlikely that something like High Tide wins BoM.Sure, the deck has got some nice results, like a couple of top16 at 150-200 ppl tournaments, but it's not Survival. And in Italy this January an High Tide top8ed a 116 people tournament without any Candelabra in it (but with singleton Trade Routes ^^). So, please realize that while this deck is good, Candelabra's price is 75% Hype. So sell yours now that they're 80$ each. And buy some Jaces or duals instead :).

Imperial Recruiters were long time a $100 (or a bit less) card because of Imperial Painter. Last Year (bit past summer) some pro's played it online in Aluren and due to results there brought it to SCG circuit. It didn't last long, but solely those actions bumped Recruiters price up to where it is today.

What you claim about Candelabra can be also said about Recruiters also. Everyone sell their recruiters and buy some Jaces? I mean of course that the card itself isn't worth that huge price tag, but when its usefulness is met with scarcity then everything can happen...

[(nameless one)]

The thing is would Super Jace retain its value post-rotation?

[kiblast]

Imperial Recruiters were long time a $100 (or a bit less) card because of Imperial Painter. Last Year (bit past summer) some pro's played it online in Aluren and due to results there brought it to SCG circuit. It didn't last long, but solely those actions bumped Recruiters price up to where it is today.

Yeah, but when last summer some pro's played Aluren, Aluren jumped to 12$ each and now it's 5$. the fact is that Aluren is playable only in Aluren (of course) and Recruiter is playable in Imperial Painter too, and this added to the fact they're not so easy to find keeps them at 150$.

What you claim about Candelabra can be also said about Recruiters also. Everyone sell their recruiters and buy some Jaces? I mean of course that the card itself isn't worth that huge price tag, but when its usefulness is met with scarcity then everything can happen...

In fact, everyone who has Recruiters and don't play them should sell them and buy more useful things, like, drugs, alcohol. So crazy players who want their Recs could find them.

By the way, I'd rather have a set of Jaces (and I have them) instead of a set of Recs ( and I don't have them). If you consider the economical aspect of this hobby, Jaces, Fow's and Duals are obviously a more secure investment than high $ cards like P3K rares and uncommons, or P9.

What I want to say is, if you want to buy and play Candelabra of Tawnos or Recruiters, it's ok and is fun, but don't pretend to be the Mtg Keynes,so if you want to make a bit of money out of it,just sell that shit when you have a sure (even if little) margin of ROI. Don't wait that High Tide becomes a DTB collecting 20 top4 per month, making Candelabra jump to the roof,because it will never happen.

Anyway, mine was a critic not to players buying and playing Candelabra, but to the speculators claiming they have ''the next big thing'' in their hands.

[Pippin]

In fact, everyone who has Recruiters and don't play them should sell them and buy more useful things, like, drugs, alcohol. So crazy players who want their Recs could find them.

By the way, I'd rather have a set of Jaces (and I have them) instead of a set of Recs ( and I don't have them). If you consider the economical aspect of this hobby, Jaces, Fow's and Duals are obviously a more secure investment than high $ cards like P3K rares and uncommons, or P9.

What I want to say is, if you want to buy and play Candelabra of Tawnos or Recruiters, it's ok and is fun, but don't pretend to be the Mtg Keynes,so if you want to make a bit of money out of it,just sell that shit when you have a sure (even if little) margin of ROI. Don't wait that High Tide becomes a DTB collecting 20 top4 per month, making Candelabra jump to the roof,because it will never happen.

Anyway, mine was a critic not to players buying and playing Candelabra, but to the speculators claiming they have ''the next big thing'' in their hands.

Yup, I get your point and agree with it since I'm in the same boat (not speculator here), but I was giving my opinions based on objectivity and looking at what happened to similar other cases. Your points are mostly subjective and aimed against speculating side of mtg and CCG.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that Candelabra is very scarce. Print run of ANQ was around 15 million cards, while for example revised was 500 milion. Candelabra was printed there as U1, which is highest rarity and equals to around 31 000 copies total. That is pretty scarce for a card that was printed only in one set. Guess what other card is in ANQ at same level? Workshop. I'm not saying that Candelabra is anywhere near the power level of that card, but since its not banned in legacy and is possibly playable... speculators rejoice...

[death]

O come on.. let's not talk about power level gaps between Jace, Workshop and Candelabra. These cards are the best at what they do. In defense of Candelabra, what single card aside from mana sources can generate bazillion mana on turn 3 or 4? The reason you don't see it regularly in High Tide lists is because it is really scarce. Thanks to it being in the Reserved list and not being reprinted as a premium card.

Official Reprint Policy: Premium Cards

A previous version of this policy allowed premium versions of cards on the reserved list to be printed. Starting in 2011, no cards on the reserved list will be printed in either premium or non-premium form.

Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness. In consideration of past commitments, however, no cards will be removed from this list.

[GGoober]

Got my Candelabra for Arcum Dagson EDH 2 years back when it was $25. Debated a lot whether it was worth it at that time :P

Oh, and I'm the person who wrote the primer where Arcum should by focusing on games with Winter Orb on turn 2 :P Too bad the deck is not as cool now without Staff of Domination, Tolarian Academy..

Speaking of EDH. Anyone seen Mind's Eye? That junk is now fetching ~$4 per piece with foils hitting $18-20. EDH is really screwing up the logic of the market.

[kiblast]

Yup, I get your point and agree with it since I'm in the same boat (not speculator here), but I was giving my opinions based on objectivity and looking at what happened to similar other cases. Your points are mostly subjective and aimed against speculating side of mtg and CCG.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that Candelabra is very scarce. Print run of ANQ was around 15 million cards, while for example revised was 500 milion. Candelabra was printed there as U1, which is highest rarity and equals to around 31 000 copies total. That is pretty scarce for a card that was printed only in one set. Guess what other card is in ANQ at same level? Workshop. I'm not saying that Candelabra is anywhere near the power level of that card, but since its not banned in legacy and is possibly playable... speculators rejoice...

Yeah you're right about scarcity- we'll see what the market thinks of Candelabra in the next weeks. It all depends on the results of High Tide and Turbo Eldrazi.

EDH is really screwing up the logic of the market.

I love how such a strange and lovely format is capable of such things. I hope EDH becomes sanctioned for tournaments...

[android]

I love the logic of foil pricing.

Junk - foil is 1.5-2x
Playable - foil is 2-4x
EDH - foil is 4x
Playable Japanese - foil is 10x
Card is hot NOW - foil is ∞x+

[dahcmai]

Here's a good one. This is EDH forcing prices if I ever saw it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...STRK:MEBIDX:IT


EDH is starting to be a powerhouse in card prices. I have been paying attention to it quite a bit lately. If you haven't seen the price of a foil Bribery or Treachery lately, you are not paying enough attention to prices and are probably getting ripped hard in trades.

There's a few cards that are getting flat obscene anymore. The giant jump of Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed should have been enough to convince most people that EDH has gained a heck of a following. I was picking that guy up for $5 just a couple of years ago.

[Sims]

Here's a good one. This is EDH forcing prices if I ever saw it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...STRK:MEBIDX:IT


EDH is starting to be a powerhouse in card prices. I have been paying attention to it quite a bit lately. If you haven't seen the price of a foil Bribery or Treachery lately, you are not paying enough attention to prices and are probably getting ripped hard in trades.

There's a few cards that are getting flat obscene anymore. The giant jump of Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed should have been enough to convince most people that EDH has gained a heck of a following. I was picking that guy up for $5 just a couple of years ago.

It's getting pretty insane, can't argue that.

I picked up XD in english for $10 bucks from my LGS (played, edge wear on the back, dirty on the front) and even in that condition still flipped it for a decent sum. Not quite what they're getting on ebya but it surely wasn't NM. Any of the older foils that are good in EDH are going to be ridiculous eventually if they aren't already.

[TheAardvark]

Any of the older foils that are good in EDH are going to be ridiculous eventually if they aren't already.

High Market and Yavimaya Hollow say "hi".

[mchainmail]

High Market and Yavimaya Hollow say "hi".

To be fair, High Market is often used as a Bazaar of Baghdad proxy for Vintage players.

[dahcmai]

It's the staples that you should really watch. Mind's Eye is getting dumb and I bet that one will go off the charts. It's not real likely for a reprint anytime soon and it's one of the best cards in the format.

Sol Ring's are obviously nuts, but they were always good. The alphas should surpass a few marks though.

Demonic Tutor (betas and alphas)
Foils of the Kamigawa legendary lands.
Any general that doesn't suck. Zur, Joira, the Planar Chaos dragons, and older Legends are slowly gaining ground.

Foil Rhystic Study is becoming one of the scarcest cards ever. How it's still at $10.00 is truly amazing. I think it will eventually be the most expensive foil Common ever. If you've played EDH, you know how obscene and totally unfair of a card drawer that card is.

Coalition Relic, Darksteel Ingot, and a few others of the staple mana variety are getting there too.

Seedborn Muse is dumb and should start climbing despite that 8th edition reprint. It's a pretty unfair card for mana. It being only $10 or so now is surprising too.

It seems just the bombs are getting bad, but considering they would normally be in a dollar folder, yeah, it's showing how popular the format is.

[kiblast]

Foil Rhystic Study is becoming one of the scarcest cards ever. How it's still at $10.00 is truly amazing. I think it will eventually be the most expensive foil Common ever.

Foil Japanese Brainstorm Daze and Spell Pierce would like to have a word with you.

[jandax]

Preordain as well. He wants in on this convo

[Koby]

I love the logic of foil pricing.

Junk - foil is 1.5-2x
Playable - foil is 2-4x
EDH - foil is 4x
Playable Japanese - foil is 10x
Card is hot NOW - foil is ∞x+

Logic, meet exponential curve.

Price = HOTNESS^2

[dahcmai]

Foil Japanese Brainstorm Daze and Spell Pierce would like to have a word with you.

Oh thats not counting a Foil Japanese Rhystic Study. Good luck with one of those. I can find a Foil Japanese Brainstorm a hell of a lot easier.

[kiblast]

Oh thats not counting a Foil Japanese Rhystic Study. Good luck with one of those. I can find a Foil Japanese Brainstorm a hell of a lot easier.

Now on ebay:

only 1 foil Jap Brainstorm at 100$.

3 foil Jap Rhystic Study at half the price (or even less)

And spending 100$ on a foil Brainstorm is way less stupid than dropping 50$ on a foil Rhystic Study.

[MattH]

Now on ebay:

only 1 foil Jap Brainstorm at 100$.

3 foil Jap Rhystic Study at half the price (or even less)

And spending 100$ on a foil Brainstorm is way less stupid than dropping 50$ on a foil Rhystic Study.

Well, yeah. So what? He's talking about future prices, not current, ya goofball.

dahcmai, you really don't see Mind's Eye being reprinted? Like say, in one of the Commander precons coming out this summer?