[Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm

[stasis]

Dredge and affinity is what I'm loaning out,

I'm loaning those two out because that's what I have complete and one being straight forward to play and the other being a more skill intensive deck( dredge).

Plus, I'd rather not loan out a deck to people I don't know that has wastelands, forces and other stuff in it.

I've only started to purchase legacy cards a month ago so my pool isn't too amazing :p

My priority was to finish tes, and that's all that matters ;)

-ps, I'm glad the decks I'm loaning out don't have their sideboards ready yet. Lol

His point was that you borrow them decks that have subpar chance to win versus you in a situasion where you want to build a legacy envirement

[Diprivan]

Looks like your list is a card short.

Also, Xantid main is an interesting choice.

Am I the only one that has a winning record against CB in tournaments?

Nope, me too. I'd play countertop all day long: epic, skill-intensive matches, where you can show you know your deck.

Xantid main is an interesting option indeed, though I prefer chants at first sight. I'll test Pulp's list this weekend.

[r3dd09]

His point was that you borrow them decks that have subpar chance to win versus you in a situasion where you want to build a legacy envirement

I knew that's what he meant, I have about 8 proxied decks so I let them play to see what kind of deck they want, also I'm buying cards and selling them for less than what I bought them for, among other things. This is how I've tried to spark an interest among my community, must be working ;)

But I do get your point.

Why isn't grim tutor played in this deck? Can I some insight on this cut?

[Diprivan]

Why isn't grim tutor played in this deck? Can I some insight on this cut?

Because by splashing R for burning wish we don't need additional business.
Some UB Ant list play grim, because they otherwise have an anemic 4 infernal tutor, 1-2 adn as business.

Burning wish does everything grim does and more.

[lorddotm]

Why isn't grim tutor played in this deck? Can I some insight on this cut?

It's a fucking terrible card. Burning Wish is just better.

[r3dd09]

Burning wish restricts you to sorcery. But it makes sense, Leaviating putting answers in the main when you can fetch for them in the board.

[lorddotm]

Burning wish restricts you to sorcery. But it makes sense, Leaviating putting answers in the main when you can fetch for them in the board.

Very few times is getting Emtpy, Diminishing, or Iggy not enough. Also, doesn't cost 3 life.

[Pulp_Fiction]

I am not sure if I can describe this so people will believe it. But those who have seen it firsthand, are usually amazed. I am like a negative rabbits foot and have some of the worst luck in card games u can imagine. This is the main reason I have trouble with CB .... my opening hands usually suck or I keep cantripping into more cantrips and rarely ever have what i need. After reading Cook's reports I am amazed at the kinds of hands he opens, I don't get those. This is why I play DD because Top says, fuck u deck ... I will find what is necessary. Now I am sure no one will believe this but I like to say it anyway because all my buddies at the cardshop who read this site know what I'm talking about. That aside, I have lost to Cb with DDFT ... maybe twice out of about the last 12 or so times I played and both times were to 1-2 outers ripped off the Also, people in my met top.

Onto the Xantids, I don't advocate playing them main, just something I am trying out in my meta to see how they are. Clearly they are weaker against CB but ... usually there isn't a lot, last week was a total anomoly. But I am not sure if I would want blasts or Wipe Away as of yet. I am definitely going to swap the EtW main for the second AdN though. I have really liked having 2. Also, people in my meta always run some combination of EE and Firespouts main so ... it loses a lot of its effectiveness. And people talking about the EtW plan, it really sucks. I tested it in the past and the deck turns into pseudo-belcher, I didn't like it at all and found it to be quite ineffective.

EDIT: Grim Tutor is terrible, in TES and those awful Lax ANT lists.

EDIT 2: @lorddotm: Just checked, I am pretty sure I am not missing a card in the list but I am running 14 lands.

[lorddotm]

EDIT 2: @lorddotm: Just checked, I am pretty sure I am not missing a card in the list but I am running 14 lands.

Understandable. I was probably tired or something.

[r3dd09]

With the average sideboard, what do we sideboard in and out for each matchup?

[Whippoorwill]

With the average sideboard, what do we sideboard in and out for each matchup?

2nd post in the thread.

[lorddotm]

Seems like every few pages we have to remind people that there is a lot of literature about this deck. Bryant has written a fantastic primer, I have written a primer, there are countless tournament reports, those will answer everything in a much more satisfying way than anything else. If you have further questions, feel free to quote a certain instance that confuses you, and we will be more than happy to help.

TLDR: Too fuckin' bad. Read the it.

It would be nice if we could get a password which we would hide in one of the reading pieces so that you could post in the thread.


Back on topic:

Been trying the Empty the Warrens plan, haven't quite decided if I like it or not, it is very high variance.

[r3dd09]

Seems like every few pages we have to remind people that there is a lot of literature about this deck. Bryant has written a fantastic primer, I have written a primer, there are countless tournament reports, those will answer everything in a much more satisfying way than anything else. If you have further questions, feel free to quote a certain instance that confuses you, and we will be more than happy to help.

TLDR: Too fuckin' bad. Read the it.

It would be nice if we could get a password which we would hide in one of the reading pieces so that you could post in the thread.


Back on topic:

Been trying the Empty the Warrens plan, haven't quite decided if I like it or not, it is very high variance.

Edit: I've had good luck with etw. What about it is giving you trouble? /edit

I have read a lot the the thread off and on, I realize that Bryant has an outstading primer and I don't know how frequently it's updated as I know he is in college.

I'm just trying to get my crap together to prepare myself for the first legacy tournament in my area, but I do understand your point on l2r.

Playing a different competitive game besides magic, I realize people want straight up answers and don't want to read/practice, tes being a deck that scrubs try to pick up to instant win, but try don't realize how much you need to test the deck.

This is very similar to my other game that I use to play, people would try to pick up my character because he's basically an instant kill through combos, but they want instant results when it's practice oriented.

Yo, lord. Is your primer linked on the first page? Mobile browser is being difficult, if it isn't on the first page, could you kindly link it to me, or anyone for that matter.


Also, is anyone going to providence to rep tes?

[lorddotm]

Edit: I've had good luck with etw. What about it is giving you trouble? /edit

I have read a lot the the thread off and on, I realize that Bryant has an outstading primer and I don't know how frequently it's updated as I know he is in college.

I'm just trying to get my crap together to prepare myself for the first legacy tournament in my area, but I do understand your point on l2r.

Playing a different competitive game besides magic, I realize people want straight up answers and don't want to read/practice, tes being a deck that scrubs try to pick up to instant win, but try don't realize how much you need to test the deck.

This is very similar to my other game that I use to play, people would try to pick up my character because he's basically an instant kill through combos, but they want instant results when it's practice oriented.

Yo, lord. Is your primer linked on the first page? Mobile browser is being difficult, if it isn't on the first page, could you kindly link it to me, or anyone for that matter.


Also, is anyone going to providence to rep tes?

The problem with the 4 Empty plan is that you have to have one in your opening hand to have it be effective. High variance.


The opening post is relevant enough that you could've acquired your information from that. My primer is on the opening post, there is a whole secti on of reading material on there, if you want to win with TES, reading all of that shit will be very helpful. Also, tournament reports are fantastic.

Providence is on the other side of the cunt, so I don't think I will be visiting. Plus, I wanted someone else to have the chance to win.

[r3dd09]

Are you talking about running 4 etw?

Yeah, I plan on reading a Lot of what's linked on the op. I work 12 hour graveyard shifts. All I do I read articles on magic and trade online.

I will take notes on Tuesday of my matches. I don't see me having any issues taking first unless the dreadtop player enters.

[lorddotm]

Are you talking about running 4 etw?

Yeah, I plan on reading a Lot of what's linked on the op. I work 12 hour graveyard shifts. All I do I read articles on magic and trade online.

I will take notes on Tuesday of my matches. I don't see me having any issues taking first unless the dreadtop player enters.

Earlier on in the thread (aka last page) people we talking about 4 Empty against Tempo.

Honestly, people over complicate this deck by not reading all this material. I am one of the least, we will say sober, people that plays Legacy in LA, and I still manage to win some.

[Koby]

Honestly, people over complicate this deck by not reading all this material. I am one of the least, we will say sober, people that plays Legacy in LA, and I still manage to win some.

Team Hookers n' Blow reppin'

[r3dd09]

Earlier on in the thread (aka last page) people we talking about 4 Empty against Tempo.

Honestly, people over complicate this deck by not reading all this material. I am one of the least, we will say sober, people that plays Legacy in LA, and I still manage to win some.

I don't feel like 4 etw is the answer to tempo

Yet again comparing to the last game I played, there was a player that was just like you lord. Comical, must be the combo players among games.

I feel like my meta will be budget with few good pilots due to my state never really having a legacy scene, hate to scare them away when I play the deck. Combo usually does that to people haha.

[Diprivan]

The problem with the 4 Empty plan is that you have to have one in your opening hand to have it be effective. High variance.

This.

I think this is the major flaw in the etw plan. Though my testing results with it, remain impressive:

Tested against Ubw dreadstill:
preboard: TES 4 - dreadstill 6
postboard: TES 7 - dreadstill 2 (he got furious and didn't want to play the last game. Said something bout me being too lucky with "having my 1 etw everytime" )

note: dreadstill has no answer to etw, except naturally drawing their 1 EE (fetching it with trinket is too slow)

Tested against merfolk: (4 fow, 4 mm, 4 daze, 4 catcher)
preboard: TES 3 - merfolk 7
posboard:
xantids, no etw plan: TES 6 - merfolk 4
xantids + etw plan: TES 8 - merfolk 2

I didn't expect the etw plan to work that well against folk, because they can race it if you can't go for it turn 1 or turn 2 on the play. However, if you manage turn 1-2 etw 10+ goblins, you just win (they only have 0-2 echoing truth as an out)

To those who lose to countertop everytime:
etw is golden in this matchup. You win before balance lands and even if it lands, it's not that hard to reach 4-5 storm en playing empty through balancelock.

[1maarten1]

Hi! I would like to build TES, but unfortunately i dont have the budget to afford the duallands at the moment. What would you guys suggest to replace them with? 10 rainbow lands and 3 Simian spirit guides? I can always try to borrow some duals, but I cant rely on that ofcourse.

Thanks, Maarten