If the rumours of the set after Innistrad being Ravnica are true, then I'd expect a reprint of all the shocks and Dark Confidant (probably with his art butchered).
I'd also expect a real life "Master's Edition" of Modern Cards as a way to support the format. Duals, Fetches, Bob, goyf, cryptic, mutavault, etc. Maybe $10 for a pack of 3 Modern Staples?
Also, I don't see a problem with Goyf being back in standard. The removal is currently top knotch, mana fixing is pretty bad with the rotation of Zendikar, and if Innistrad is a graveyard set, I'd expect a shit-ton of graveyard removal to screw with Gofys.
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As long as they stay true to this quote found @ http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...g/daily/ld/144 'As I said, many of you have called for a non-rotating format that doesn't have the card availability problems of Legacy. We propose Modern as that format.'
This should directly mean reprints of Modern staples such that there never will be an 'availability' problem. If they don't adhere to what was said above as well as the context of the article, I am definitely sticking with Legacy.
I think you guys are reading this wrong. This doesn't mean that every time a card hits $50 they are going to reprint it, it just means the supply will never run out. In 10 years there will be way fewer duals in circulation then there are now. I mean a lot of people who play Legacy now will get good nerdy jobs in the future then just put playsets in storage long term. Legacy is not sustainable without reprints in the long term.
Don't forget, WotC needs to push Standard. They have no interest in Eternal decks being equally as expensive as Standard decks. Once a card gets up in value there is a reluctance to reprint it. Don't forget that MTG is a collectible card game and if every year WotC is reprinting $50 cards and crashing their value to $10-15 they are going to piss a lot of people off and many of those people are going to leave, also stores which bought a card are going to be super angry. I mean if they reprinted Goyf and Confidant in the next set and a store had 2 playsets of each they would probably be out at least $400. I can't think of any card over $20 that has been reprinted that was actually playable. I mean a lot of old casual cards like Underworld Dreams and Psionic Blast got tanked, but as far as money cards go even those not on the reprint list haven't really shown up over the years.
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Tarmogoyf will probably be banned in modern. Think about it. He's the best creature ever printed. He was a mistake. They banned Grave-Troll for goodness sake.
Modern will hurt legacy a bit, which is a mistake on Wizard's part.
They could do functional reprints if they wanted to such as
Snow covered Tundra
counts as an island and plains
this card has exclude. This card may not be played with tundra
done and they did not have to break the "reserved list"
Saying that the 'supply will never run out' is still saying there will be reprints sometime in the future be it a couple years from now or 10 years from now.
Yes Legacy is not sustainable without reprints. You can say the same thing about Modern. You can say the same thing about any eternal format, however the other eternal formats i.e. Legacy and Vintage were not made with the explicit purpose or mission statement of solving an 'availability' problem. They were so players could play with the cards they have accumulated over the 18+ years of Magic with the exception of the banned/restricted lists. Modern is a format in which Wizards allegedly is pursuing a solution to the availability problem and that means reprints else its just going to be 'unsustainable' given several years or 10 years.
Its also why I am puzzled about why people are so excited about Modern if they feel reprints aren't going to be actively pursued. Like I said, rather play Legacy then. And yes I could play Vintage, but the power level to me is too high in that particular format where combo/control is dominant and aggro is almost nonexistent whereas Legacy has the usual mix of aggro/control/combo.
How will Modern hurt Legacy? I doubt real Legacy buffs would drop the format. Maybe it would hurt the influx of new players in the format. But the demographic of Legacy players is more of a affluent, slightly older folks with expendable income. Hobbyists.
Even if people cash out of Legacy for Modern, that just means mroe supply than demand, not a tanking of teh Eternal market. Vintage/EDH will be keeping staple prices for the foreseeable future even if the market goes bearish
I completely agree. For me half the fun of Legacy is spending money collecting all these old cards printed more than 10-years ago.
When someone asks me why I only play Legacy at my LGS, I promptly respond:
"You know that M12 box you just bought? Well, how much of it is still going to be worth the some $100 you spend on it? I'd rather buy a dual land."
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I'm pretty sure that they could have made that for Legacy but they haven't. What makes you say they'll do the "functional reprints" in Modern?
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Goyf was played in Standard when it was around and it wasn't that amazing. I had a set in my Doran deck, but it was far from broken. It was good, but nothing that needed a ban. You forget Legacy decks tend to run less removal than a standard deck.
I know one thing, I voted that Modern poll as bleh. I'd never bother playing it. I'll play standard first if I want to play with newer cards.
For my part it's extrapolation, but if you consider the 'mission statement' of Modern - to have a non-rotating format which isn't bound by availability issues - with quotes like this coming from Doug Beyer:
You have to kind of assume that these guys know what the others are saying, and that if it's implicit that Modern exists as a way for an Eternal format to be unbound by the scarcity of old print runs and the Reserved List, and that the Core Set is clearly the place where golden oldies go to get reprinted, it seems natural that Core Sets can augment Standard while also feeding Modern. I'm not excited about seeing Ravnica shocklands printed as fucking Mythics, but catch-as-catch-can.The core set is also a storehouse for staple cards that have no other place to live. This has just become the feel of the core set, after years of repetition. The number of cards in the set is already defined—we couldn't balloon M12 up to four hundred different cards just to jam in every single fancy new card we wanted—so work must be done to save room for core set staples.
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Our traditional three-set blocks (we used to call them expert-level sets; that term isn't on Magic's packaging anymore, though) have the capability of reprinting staple cards that they need, and we think strategic, thoughtful reprints are a good thing. But the core set should still feel like it's filling in gaps of basic effects for Standard. Not every set can print its own Naturalize, but sometimes Naturalize is just the card that development needs.
There's no way shocklands (or any cycle of "dual" lands) will ever be printed as Mythics. This is a frequently quoted and misinterpreted snippet from Rosewater when complain why a "utility card" like Jace is a mythic, when it is in fact a utility card (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin.../daily/mr334):
However, generic dual lands (i.e. lands that tap for mana of two different colors) do fit under this category, and it is explicitly stated as such.We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function. Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char. That also addresses a long-standing issue that some players have had with certain rares like dual lands. Because we're making fewer cards per set, in the new world individual rares will be easier to acquire because each rare in a large set now appears 25% more often.
People are going bonkers right now because reality hasn't set in yet. Modern decks are going to fall in between Extended and Legacy in price logically. Wizards is not going to reprint cards just to keep costs down, that undermines Standard and screws stores over. Dual lands haven't been reprinted in 17 years and things were fine up until a couple years ago. You can still get any non-blue dual for under $50 if you shop around, the problem is that in another 5-10 years they will be even harder to come by and climb further and list cards like Intuition will eventually hit $100 and keep going. These cards could have been reprinted once in 15 years and it would have been enough, but never is a long time. Don't expect WotC to reprint Confidant, Goyf, whatever other hot cards emerge every time they hit $40+. They may reprint one or the other at some point in the next couple years, but if the format gets popular expect a load of overpriced cards and a price point that is much closer to Legacy than Standard. If a $$$ card gets reprinted I would expect a FTV type release which doesn't affect price much or printed in the last set of a block at Mythic which gives it the lowest distribution. I think they might keep the utility/fetch lands low on purpose because like I said the higher the price goes on those the harder they are to reprint, and WotC likes to keep mana options open in Standard. As far as staples go though don't expect Christmas to come every year if you know what I'm saying.
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This might be out of topic but the new judge foil is Dark Confidant with an old frame (with the star streak foil)
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Goyf will be banned simply because he makes every creature worse as far as power and toughness are concerned. You have to play around him. And every creature based deck MUST start with 4 goyf. This does not make for a healthy format.
Let me break it down.
other teir one creatures
Dark Confidant
StoneForge
V clique
Hopefully everyone will agree with the above list.
The above creatures are played because they do something very unique and powerful. But still none are as powerful as goyf (tho dark confidant is really close)
Legacy is filled with broken cards and combos. Think about it. Goyf is a vanilla creature. He does not do anything special like the above creatures, but he's played in legacy and played heavily.
Once Goyf is banned. How many creatures do think become better. Even playable. So many creatures are unplayable because of this guy. I love him. But I love him in legacy. I suspect the cache of Modern as that new diverse Archetypes become playable, hence the bannings of artifact lands and Grave troll. The alternative is watered down legacy decks.
It is my opinion that Goyf will one day be banned in Modern.
It also bears mentioning that just because something gets reprinted over and over it doesn't necessitate its price dropping. How long was Birds of Paradise a 10 - 15 dollar card in Standard? About as far back as I can remember; I don't think that stopped until they printed Noble Hierarch, maaaaybe it was Ravnica but I suspect more the former than the latter. There's no reason to assume prices change with reprints; if 'Modern' format staples reach a certain price point it becomes incredibly questionable for Core Sets to *not* contain them.
Nope, it's their intention. They make little to no money of Legacy, and Modern is a format way more likely to be affected by new printings, which sells them more packs.
They said they thought about this, but it still is hard to do that for every card on the reserved list, and it "felt like cheating" to themThey could do functional reprints if they wanted to such as
Snow covered Tundra
counts as an island and plains
this card has exclude. This card may not be played with tundra
done and they did not have to break the "reserved list"
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reprintings drop prices -period.
For everyone one example you have, I have about a thousand others where a reprinting dropped the price.
In a set or Wal-Mart box set yes. Judge or FTV, barely noticeable.
The fact remains they are not going to blindly reprint cards just to keep the cost down. Like I said, I think you can always expect lands to be reprinted whenever they feel like it, but for staples that surpass $30 I doubt it. I mean you may see one of these cards reprinted every 3-4 years but it's not going to be like WotC drops the hammer every time a card hits the magic number and burn it down to 1/4 of what it was worth by shoehorning it in a set or sticking it in a $20 box set. Much more likely is they will be the selling point of a FTV set (which always seem to have that one $40ish card as the centerpiece) which barely affects the price in the end.
The problem with reprinting cards just to keep the value down is that you screw everyone who paid top dollar for that card. If Modern becomes popular that means stores start stocking the cards. If you slash a $50 card every year with a reprint in a drafted set or DD you are going to make a lot of stores and players unhappy. Much more likely is the FTV print which makes stores happy as it gives them an in demand product they can sell way over retail and it keeps the people who bought a card at $50 happy because they don't lose $160 in value per playset.
Of course the old reprint argument gets turned upside down by Jace. We learned that Mystic spot in a 3rd set of a block is the safe place to reprint high demand cards to keep their value. I mean if a card hits $100 on demand and you reprint it in that slot it's going to be Jace availability and Jace demand because people are going to know it was a $100 card a month before and probably will be again, then add in Standard demand and I don't see such a card dipping under $80.
Also you guys aren't taking into account when WotC says Modern is an "affordable" Eternal format, they are comparing in to Legacy. If your Modern deck has a playset of Jaces, Confidants, and Goyfs, it is still less expensive then simply the lands in Team America by a large margin. Don't expect a budget format in Modern. If you want a budget Eternal format play pauper.
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I don't expect to pay $5 for my modern deck, but I also don't expect to pay $60 for a Dark Confidant, $40 for a blue shockland and $100 for a Tarmogoyf, and lets face it, between Vintage, Legacy, Modern and EDH, that's how much these cards are going to end up costing.
In an interview with 'I Came to Game' Richard Garfield states that he feels that about $20 is the most that he thinks a competitive rare should cost; any more than that, and it's harmful to the game. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect reprints that will push Modern staples into that price range. Now, as soon as I saw Modern revealed as a format for the community cup, I snap bought some shocklands on the cheap, and as soon as it was confirmed, I bought a few more, as well as Bitterblossoms, Mutavaults, etc, so I already have all the cards I'll need for a while (Give or take a couple shocklands), and I still am all for reprinting the staples. I want to finally see an eternal format succeed where every other one has failed; card availability, and from what WoTC has said so far, it looks like they are able and willing to keep the prices down. Don't forget, WoTC isn't stupid. They know that the USA is in a recession, and they know that in order for people to invest in their new format, the price has to be right.
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I am very happy that they are continuing this trend of reprinting awesome cards with the old card frame. I just wish they would print them non-foil... Regardless, this is a nice development. My preference for magic card aesthetics is frozen in time in 1994 when I started. I prefer old style, non-digital art, old card frame, non foil, and even the old language like "Summon X" instead of the bland and sterile "Creature - X." But just seeing something in the old card frame makes me happy even if it's marred with a big shiny shooting star :)
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