Regarding the first point: You don't always need Loam, e.g. if you have access to Crucible. This is fair, though.
Regarding the second point: This is also probably true, but at least it opens up the space for us to try and consider replacements. This might be useful for the following reason: in E-Tutor lists, the necessity of Confidant in the sideboard forced the deck to run 4 colors, badly destabilizing the mana base post-board (I've personally fallen victim to color screw, but I might just be a bad pilot). Furthermore, such lists run blue only for Academy Ruins and Tolaria West, and they have less need for Tolaria West than the Intuition builds because you rely more on artifacts, not bullet lands, to create soft locks.
Furthermore, in exchange for Tolaria West, a better mana base might allow us to run things like Humility or Knight of the Reliquary, which undoubtedly address some deficiencies that may emerge from cutting blue.
Gamble much?
Gamble is unreliable, and red is almost totally barren of useful cards for control Loam decks. Wonderful for aggro Loam, but not this, especially since I'm trying to cut a 4th color for consistency reasons.
I would cut black before cut blue. Dark Confidant is nuts, but both Tolaria West and Ruins are just better.
And while Confidant draws, Reliquary tutors, Every turn. And is a really good beater. AAAND has sinergy with 4 Mazes. I will test KotR this weekend.
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Denying Channel
Land
T: Add to {1} your mana pool.
2UU, Discard Denying Channel: Counter target spell.
Too high to utilise, but still a card for this deck than any other.
@Buried Ruin: I think this is playable, as it gets the EE back straight away.
EDIT: I am of the opinion that Buried Ruins should complement Academy, rather than a straight replacement.
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Oh, FFS!
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That's not even the form, the card will have. They said, "it changed quite a bit (for the better)", which probably means it got worse ^^. But I guess this is just speculation for now.
I don't think Buried Ruin should replace Academy Ruins. I guess it's nice that you get to recur an artifact while loaming but this could be done with Academy Ruins, too - just required a Thicket. On the other hand, it costs a land drop to keep using it. You probably should be blue anyways.
There is, however, a not irrelevant play that cannot be done with Buried Ruins: to deck the opponent or prevent yourself from getting decked.
what do u think about:
intuition + noxious revival? we can tutor anything...
Druidic Satchel in sideboard like second engine?
Visions of Beyond??
I'm okay with Noxious Revival in the deck but as currently my list doesn't run Intuition I don't know if its worth it for me that is. The other two cards just don't seem that good. The problem with any instant or sorcery in the deck is that if you don't have it in your opener you will most likely end up dredging it anyway with no way to return it. So a lot of time Visions doesn't really do anything for us.Originally Posted by kjeldoran
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If you get 3 cards off Visions of Beyond, you're already winning.
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The only M12 card that jumped out at me is Sundial of the Infinite. With Smokestack or against a deck that has no way to remove Glacial Chasm, it could just win the game, and it can fight some stuff like EOT Wasteland activations or Price of Progress.
The only think you really want to tutor is for loam, lands or artifacts. All of them tutoreable with intuition.
You already win against decks that have no way to remove Chasm and/or were you resolve Smokestack under no pressure...
That's true.
There are probably some other tricks with it. Wastelanding fetches and dodging Clique come to mind, but they're pretty niche. I may test with it, though.
Even in game 1, what decks can't deal with *any* part of that combo?
Maybe the various Natural Order decks in game 1, but in game 2, everyone will have K-grip or Grudge. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. It just doesn't seem good enough sometimes.
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Don't even bother your time with Sundial, it is nothing but winmore.
Its Lands viable to play right now? I want to run it at the next Jupiter Event, but I'm not sure if its worth it
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Probably not. Given the predicted field, will you be able to consistently resolve Exploration or Manabond? What's your plan against Hive Mind? Do you have any game against Reanimator? Can you beat TES or ANT or High Tide or any other storm combo? How about Combo Elves or Painter? These, in my opinion, are the main questions to consider before rolling this deck into battle. If those problem decks are absent, or if you're able to adequately hate out the few that are present, then things get a lot easier.
I would play this deck if you expect lots of aggro and very little combo, and if people are running vulnerable manabases. Other than that, I'd keep it on the shelf. Lands has always been a niche deck, and the niche is smaller this year than it was last year.
lands just took like 27 at the Pitt SCG open, out of about 190, went 6-2. its not a bad deck, just a little difficult to run and figure out.
I agree with ESG. This deck should be played when combo has a small presence OR you manage to have a perfect sideboard and are able to defeat combo decks.
If not, just play another deck. What we could discuss is a sideboard and maindeck cards that would help the deck in these matchups.
Has anyone tried Leyline of the Void against Reanimator? Along with Extirpate I think it's the best answer to that deck.
I feel Leyline is just too much to have in your board. You normally want to have a good hand with Exploration/Manabond and a Loam and now if you are looking for a Leyline as well? Reanimator isn't a deck that just loses to Leyline, especially because they normally side in Show and Tell.
Also I really just want to get Lands back out just to try and stay fresh with the deck. I don't get enough chances to test and honestly no one ever wants to test against lands. I guess I'll just scout the field and if it looks lands angry, just play my bant list.
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