@NihilObstat: I haven't done much testing with the list myself and never faced any graveyard hate from opposing sideboards, but I don't believe that would be a problem unless you let them get 3+ Vengevines out of it. If an opponent must resort to bringing in narrow cards like that in the matchup, it seems simple enough to play through it. The deck is quite resilient, although as I noted earlier perhaps you need an Ezuri to help your elves break through after they deal with Vengevines.
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The best answer is birchlore rangers and crossing your fingers.
an elves deck very near the one you suggested did very well at SCG pitt
EDIT; you being ross
Here's the list from Jesus Causing, who top8'ed @ the last SCG.
MD:
3 Tropical Island
3 Forest
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Gaea's Cradle
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Vengevine
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Heritage Druid
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Llanowar Elves
2 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Birchlore Rangers
1 Regal Force
1 Fauna Shaman
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Glimpse of Nature
3 Intuition
SB:
1 Intuition
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Fauna Shaman
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Krosan Grip
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
2 Tormod's Crypt
The deck looks very resilient despite the 2-1 lost in the QF against Aggro Zoo, wich reached the 2nd place at the event.
I'm testing the build for GP Amsterdam 2011, and it definitely is resilient and strong, pretty much the same as The Ross, and as he suggested splashing black for side.Originally Posted by Godmode
I love the extra Fauna Shaman in the sideboard, because they let you go a little "Transformer" side with an extra Tutor, reducing the importance of Glimpse.
I don't see the point of Eternal Witness though, it's an awesome card, but I don't see against what specific type of pairing would he side her in.
Birchlore rangers are sweet ;)
Awesome placing for Elves by the way, it looks like we really can adapt to any metagame change and keep placing in SCG events. Congratulations Jesus and Riley!
I agree that the E Witness looks out of place, as does the 4th intuition. Not sure how I feel about the 2 extra fauna shamans, although I could see matchups where intuitioning for them would be good, mainly slow control matches. The Rangers are clearly for Hive Mind, although more dedicated hate may be necessary, like Sundial of the Infinite.
The metagame seems to be getting better for Elves, as people are racing to beat Hive Mind out of the top spot. The RUG decks are an issue if they have Fire/Ice, and not having Emrakul certainly hurts there, so I like the one in the board. I'm testing mostly Extended for Philly at the moment but when the time is right hopefully I can break out the little green men again. This deck is one of the most fun I've ever played.
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I read you had problems with vengevines g2/g3 because of gravehate...but I would not board them out everytime because if you combo out, vengevines will simply be hardcast for the win. although I got 1 Ezuri MD to ensure the win (nice mana sink here), and an Emrakul in the board.
the intuition elves build interacts much more with the opponent than the pure elves combo, just be careful with your vengevines in game 2
I got 2nd in a 35 person event yesterday. I lost round one to Bant (although I think it's a good matchup in general), then proceeded to beat RUG Natural Order, RUG Natural Order, UW Stoneforge, and Zoo, and finally drew round six against UW Landstill. In the top 8 I took down Bant and GW Maverick but was finally defeated by Junk (with the 'ol Perish + Ethersworn Canonist sideboard plan). Here's my list:
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Elvish Visionary
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
2 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
1 Quirion Ranger
2 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Summoner's Pact
4 Green Sun's Zenith
5 Forest
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Gaea's Cradle
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Bayou
2 Priest of Titania
2 Birchlore Rangers
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Windswept Heath
1 Elvish Archdruid
1 Dryad Arbor
SB: 1 Mortarpod
SB: 3 Cabal Therapy
SB: 4 Vengevine
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
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gg for the SCG's Top 8.
You like really your Dryad Arbor? Vs 4 Cradle? Do you have a probleme for play Cabal with 1 Bayou?
@blind: Therapy only comes in against other combo decks which for the most part do not have wasteland so the one bayou with fetches to find it are more than enough. Additionally, Birchlore Rangers gives the necessary black mana.
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I like Cabal Vs Controle and Aggro Controle, why you don't in Cabal Vs this Mus?
I side :
-4 Glimpse -3 Visio -1 Regal Force
+4 Cabal +2 Fauna +2 K-grip
Vs Stonestill, Bant, Rock, Ubg Landstil...
I don't like extra Intuition and Witness. What is your advice for Arbor Vs 4 Cradle? I like NO + Pro in SB, it's good Vs hate grave.
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jesus causing here
quickly since im lazy
play 4 cradles if you have them
7 fetch
3 trop
4 cradle
1 arbor
3 forest
e.witness gives you more intuition piles and can be zenith'ed to blow your opponent out with like a symbiote or glimpse.
cabal therapy sucks.
new sb:
2 fauna
1 priest
1 v. shaman
1 sylvok rep
1 birchlore
1 ezuri
1 emrakul
1 Venser, Shaper Savant(mise card against no rug/emrakul)
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Sundial of the Infinite
no pro is soo unessecary and awful considering you have no way to discard ur progenitus unlike no rug(vend clique/brainstorm)
if they board in gy hate bring in:
emrakul
ezuri
priest
birchlore
witness
(-4 vv -1 zenith/visionary?)
and just play the good ol combo elf deck with a better tutor
i love this deck, won't put it down until next january when scg choose to support modern over legacy.
toodles~
I have brought in Therapy against Bug-still and believe it's correct but I don't like it against any of the other decks you listed. Rock won't have counterspells to contain your combo so bringing out Glimpse against them is incorrect. Bant and Stoneforge rarely have enough spells you'd like to Therapy in order to make the card useful. I've stated that I don't like extra Fauna Shamans before and I don't like Krosan Grip at all so in the SCG list I'd probably just bring in 4 Therapy against Bug-still and that's about it. I'd probably bring out an Intuition, and 3 Quirion Rangers since Glimpse and Visionary are important tools to gain card advantage and play a long game against the control decks of the format.
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I can agree regarding discard versuscontrol lists, because it allows you to remove counters (MM or FoW) and sweepers (Deed and Perish). This gives ability to finally commit to the combo or aggro plan.
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How did you like Vengevine without Buried Alive/Intuition?
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Hi ALL,
Here's my Elf Combo deck. It's still on experiment. Our metagame revolves on Hive Mind, Bant, Maverick and 'Folks. I would like to know your thoughts on this. Plus, sideboard suggestions are highly appreciated.
CREATURES
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Heritage Druid
4 Birchlore Rangers
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Wirewood Symbiote
3 Priest of Titania
1 Regal Force
1 Joraga Warcaller
1 Viridian Zealot
1 Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
SPELLS
4 Glimpse of Nature
1 Concordant Crossroads
ARTIFACTS
3 Staff of Domination
LANDS
1 Gaea's Cradle
12 Forest
what SB's should I have for our meta?
12 forests is somewhat greedy, especially with that curve. I'd cut Emrakul (which isn't really needed with Crossroads unless everyone in your meta plays Glacial Chasm MD) as well as the Staffs (they're nice and all, but with Priest + 4 Elves you should be in good shape anyhow, and they're usually too mana intensive to be of much use otherwise). Get GSZ + Arbor in there somehow if you can afford it - that gives you room to cut some of the llanowar Elves (6-7 turn 1 accelerators are usually enough with a landcount of 14-15, especially as you run 4 Quirions) and Birchlore Rangers (which frankly aren't all that outside of the Hive Mind MU).
I personally like cutting Nettle altogether to fit in more good stuff overall, especially as you run Crossroads to abuse your Priests, but that's playstyle preference. Masticore is good versus Merfolk and Maverick, as well as being one of your few outs versus Peacekeeper. Viridian Shaman is probably better than Zealot MD, and is mandatory in the SB otherwise (kills Canonist, kills Equipment, kills them again with Symbiote).
Thanks Infinitium! The feedback is much appreciated. If I need to cut Emrakul, what card should I replace it with (I was thinking of Banefire)? Staff saved a lot of times especially with the like of Trygon Predator or any other flyers. I'm planning to add 1 more priest to stabilize my mana engine. BTW, this is my SB proposal:
2-3 pithing needle
2 krosan grip/ v. shaman
3 thorn of amethyst
3-4 extirpate/ s. extractions
3-4 tormod's/ relic
1 choke (?)
for the black SB's, I am thinking of adding 4 bayou, 5 fetches..so that gives me 4 bayou, 5 fetches, 3 forests and 1 cradle.
guys, your thoughts?
Just replace it with another Elf (or Crossroads; Crossroads is pretty fucking good when you can abuse it to make some 50ish mana the same turn). You have Concordant Crossroads, Priests and Lords to go with your bazillion elves. Hasty green men tends to kill people dead with or without other win conditions, so adding any more is just overkill.
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