Decklists?!? :) :)
Could you tell Tim to post his list, and more important a tournament report. To be honest, its great to see that BW is so talentdependet :) Great work tim! 5-1 oh my god :)
Friend of mine went 5-2 a week ago on a tourney in Iserlohn, Germany and made Top 10.
List was this
Lands
4 Scrubland
1 Godless Shrine
4 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
3 Swamp
1 Plains
Creatures
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Vampire Nighthawk
other Stuff
4 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Vindicate
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Ghastly Demise
4 Bitterblossom
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawas Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Sideboard
4 Extirpate
2 Path to Exile
2 Tormods Crypt
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Perish
1 Manriki-Gusari
MUs
vs. Team America 2:0
vs. UWr Thoptersword 2:0
vs. UWr Stoneblade 1:2
vs. High Tide 2:0
vs. Cantresh 2:1
vs. GW 1:2
vs. NORUG 2:1
5:2 or 12:6 in Games
Shows in my Opinion, that Mox is no Must-have in this Deck
You can't tell me to do anything. I do what I want. Yeah I run with gangs. I run with twelve gangs! So what? I DO WHAT I WANT!Originally Posted by Philipp802
I'll post the list later. I made 27th, was 15th going into the last round :( I PSYOPed myself in the Zoo match with Pat Cox, which is still a bad MU I don't care what anybody says. You can read about how he smashed my face in 10 minutes on the SCG site. I don't think it would've mattered much anyway since he had exactly the kind of hands that Zoo wants to get every time, and top decked 3 land in a row after he missed his second land drop and I Wasted his first :/ If somebody reads the write up and asks why I didn't grab Batterskull with my SFM in game 1 I'm going to say all sorts of nasty things about your intelligence and your mother. The only other possibly correct choice there was to grab Jitte.
I played terribly against Merfolk in round 7, didn't help that he had 3 Stifle's in the first game! The third game he played a turn 2 Coralhelm Commander, I edicted it. He played a T3 CC, I Vindicated it. He played a turn 4 CC, I lost after he dropped 2 more lords. I punted the match by equipping Mariki-Gusari, he was playing Jitte's and Phantasmal image to copy my SFM, on a wolf token to try to trade with a Reejery instead of just equipping the stupid SoBaM to it.
In the last round I played against Merfolk again, mulliganned and he lorded out on me game on. Game 2 I kept a hand with 2 Swamps, 2 TS, BB, Hymn, and Ghostly Prison. Got beat to almost to death by multiple Mutavaults before I finally drew a feth to play Ghostly Prison. Then I died to my own BB. It wasn't a game for either of us really and it was a heartbreaking way to end a day that started 5-0.
I beat:
Esperblade 2-1
Painterstone 2-0
Mirror 2-1, Mulled to 5 game two. He was on the play and I got Hymned on the second turn and I got to keep my land, SFM, BB, and a land, life was good. I drew Vindicate, played a land and BB then got Hymned again. I lost that one.
RB that looked similar and had Jitte but obvioulsy no SFM. He kept a shaky mana hand and we both traded T1 TS for the opponents BB. He ended up with a Jitte and got two counters on it before I killed every creature he played before he could swing with it again. I won. He mulled to and I dismembered his hand and wasted all his colored sources for an easy win.
Reanimator. He countered my T2 BB. I drew another and attempted again, it got countered too. I drew a third and laughed as it turned into yet another Hymn. I draw all my equipment and grab Batterskull with my SFM. I equip everything and win despite milling him 10. I figure I can get rid of reanimate spells with the mill and win the next turn. It worked. T1 He dumps an Inkwell and Elesh Norn into the yard. I take make him discard some more and take a Force with Sculler. He reanimates Elesh to get his Force back for his only card left. I bait it with something then StP Elesh. I win despite casting Extirpate on his only reanimation target, Inkwell, in response to Entomb because I thought it was actually exhume!
The more I play with Chrome Mox the less I like it.
Sorry to hear that you missed Top16 so close.
About the quote, I'm sure he meant "Could you ask Tim to post his List and a report"
@Tim:
1) I agree, Zoo sucks for us. I would say it's probably our worst matchup but there are quite a few decks I haven't tested extensively enough to make that claim.
2) Chrome Mox is very hit-or-miss for me. I hate to remove cards and often a T1 Bob or Mystic isn't enough to win. I actually board them out in the mirror and against other Junk variants (especially with Deed) along with Hymns to bring in more threats, Elspeth and another Bitterblossom. And Perish. That card is alright.
3) Are you playing with an Enlightened Tutor board plan?
4) I think I'm going to go up to 3 or even 4 Scullers, as that guy is totally sweet.
5) Are you or anyone else going to be at the Boston open this weekend? I will be repping Deadguy there if anyone wants to talk lists beforehand.
I would recommend to try out Phyrexian Crusader in the zoo matchup, they are fantastic! :D Only way for them to beat it is with active Jitte or Goyf geting blocked & blocking and there is more then 3 types in the graveyards.
That seems incredibly narrow though. I can't see myself devoting 2-3 slots in the board to him.
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Bitterblossom
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Body and Mind
2 Chrome Mox
1 Diabolic Edict
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Vindicate
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Marsh Flats
2 Polluted Delta
4 Scrubland
1 Fetid Heath
3 Wasteland
5 Swamp
1 Plains
SB
1 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Gatekeeper of Malkir
1 Manriki Gusari
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Basalisk Collar
2 Perish
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Extirpate
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna cut Chrome Mox now. Phyrexian Crusader may very well be worth dedicating slots to in the board. I've been solidly on the "Fuck Phyrexian Crusader" wagon for a while, but Zoo really is that bad.
I wish I could make it to Boston but it's a bit too far for me to travel too. Good luck there.
You are still gonna need to use slots for the zoo matchup. Its a deck that is common deck, a deck to beat and deadguy got an disadvantech against. So what other cards do you want instead? The card wins on it self and it splash damage against goblins as well as against thoes random angel stompy /stax and Dragon stompy decks. Its great defensively and closes the game really fast once you go on the offensive with it.
The slot that I dedicate to Zoo is generally 3 Perish. It also helps against decks that rely on green creatures primarily, and Progenitus (see: NO Bant etc). I'm honestly not convinced that Phyrexian Crusader is worth the slots unless Zoo is that dominant in your meta. Otherwise there are more versatile cards that won't leave you feeling like you wasted space if you happened to not see Zoo that day.
Edit: Also I guess main board MoR helps the MU a little for my build specifically.
Actually a lot of Zoo lists are getting less dependent on Green, dropping KotR and Pridemage for Loam Lion/Kird Ape/Goblin Guide/Steppe Lynx. Not that Perish is a bad SB card or anything, just not guaranteed to be as helpful in that matchup as it once was.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
Too true. The only green card I saw at all against Pat Cox was T1 Nacatl both games. So my Perish did nothing but 3 more damage to me from Bob. It really sucked and I wish that 3 damage would've been a creature that could block and with impunity and not die to removal...
I think this is what I will play this weekend:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
2 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Bitterblossom
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of _____ and _____ (probably Fire/Ice or Body/Mind)
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
2 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Vindicate
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Go for the Throat
4 Scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Karakas
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Fetid Heath
4 Wasteland
3 Swamp
1 Plains
Board:
2 Duress
2 Perish
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Ghostly Prison
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Nihil Spellbomb
Just a stray thought, but a single Sword of War and Peace in the board against Zoo? It is probably better to just side swords out all together since jitte or Batterskull is most likely better, but I just heard someone else mention once that it was pretty good against Zoo. Especially if you run MoR to protect the creature while equiping it.
Anyway I don't know, anyone else care to comment on it?
Sorry Tim, I was just happy you made it :) And ofc i ment "ask" not "tell" sorry for this one bud
Believe it or not, Batterskull is actually fairly bad against Zoo. You're never going to untap with SFM and you're probably never going to get to 5 mana, and even if you do it's probably too late at that point anyway. Obviously it's amazing if it gets on the table, but the chances are so unlikely that it's worth thinking about boarding out.
I really miss Serra Avenger against Zoo, but that would probably require Aether Vials again and thats not where you want this to go.
Sword of War and Peace is good against them. I had a Basalisk Collar in the board for Zoo, because blocking with deathtouching faeries seems awesome, but sadly I didn't get the chance to try it out really.
Philip, I was just busting your balls.
Main deck Phryexian Crusader. He is insane against a ton of decks, and you pitch him to chrome mox against the decks where he is not. Controls only answer to him is Jace, which doesn't work if you have any kind of pressure, and he really does stop zoo dead. Despite what you may think, the poison actually does kill incredibly fast, and if you equip him it's just that much crazier.
I run sword of war and peace and phyrexian crusaders in my board. The problem with jitte and batterskull against zoo is that the deck runs like 12 burn spells and 3-4 paths so 15-16 removal spells, so geting that batterskull active before death can be hard same with Jitte that requires you to ram one of your bears into a kirdape creature.
I also like the sowap in control mathups where an active sword can cuts the clock in half.
So after board against zoo I have both Phyrexian Obliterator and Phyrexian Crusader that are a beating for the zoo to beat.
My current sideboard is currently
1 Thoughtseize
1 Inquision of kozilek
3 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Perish
3 Surigical Extraction
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Manriki-Gusari
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Mortarpod
1 Ghost Quarter
What's wrong with Aether Vial? Is Misstep really that bad? I run Serra Avenger, but I don't see how she's especially good against Zoo. I'm still in the camp of trying to untap with Mother of Runes against them.
I guess the Zoo lists in my meta are still mostly green, but it sucks that Zoo is retreating from that color. If that's the case, I might want Fire/Ice instead of Body/Mind.
Also: can someone tell me why Mortarpod is a sideboard card? Dredge?
I have mortarpod in my board for Dredge, NO-Rug as well as Maverick or any other decks that run 1 thoughness creatures like Clique, Noble and dark Confidant
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