[DO NOT TRY TO SELL IN HERE] Pimp Legacy Decks

[pitchfork]

This is my contribution to this thread. Also my first post as I've been lurking here for quite som time.


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[Dark Ritual]

Yeah nice lands deck. I like the foil maze's personally and the price tag proves it (only 120 a pop). Not to mention the art is a lot better IMO.

Yeah with lands you just prey on aggro and especially control. Combo is a lost cause with that deck lol unless you dedicate a ton of your SB to the MU then it's winnable.

[mchainmail]

Oh, I hate the deck. It's a total beast against anything Aggro, but you lose to combo. Playing against it is almost as bad as playing against Stax, except worse, since you can counter so little.

-Matt

Since when do you counter anything?

I had my deck basically that pimp, and then sold most of it, because the deck is unplayable with the amount of Misstep in the format. (And Meddling Mage, to be fair)

[Fossil4182]

I am planning to acquire some nice Underground Seas (x2), but am naive on matters of early Magic cards as far as Pimp is concerned.

Relative to this point what, if any, are the reasons to prefer Beta over Alpha? I fairly sure that Alpha is rarer in terms of print run, but I almost alway see people trying to track down Beta versions of cards. Is this simply due to scarcity or is there another reason for this trend?

Thank you!

[death]

Beta cut is usually preferred over an Alpha cut because Alpha corners are too rounded and don't blend with the rest of the cards in the deck.

[sdematt]

Also, you usually just refer to Alpha/Beta versions of cards as "Beta," as there's more of them/they're cut like normal. Many people don't care or prefer Alpha or Beta or Beta over Alpha, some hate Alpha, and some hate Beta.

I personally prefer Beta, but I don't hate Alpha. If I can pick it up for the right price, A/B is fine.

@ Mchainmail

Against 43 Lands, you have less card that you can counter (assuming you're the opponent, and you're playing Blue) as opposed to playing Stax. Stax gets blown out by the all-in turn 1 Trinishpere which get's FOW'd, then you Wasteland their Tomb. :P

-Matt

[dernestor86]

Dears, it seems Mark Tedin was in Sicily a couple of days ago and I suppose that he passed a lot of time with some of the PIMP guys that live there, I kwno this is just a Legacy Pimp thread but I want to share with you the best Tedin alteration ever seen...



I can just be gelous...

offer 400$ on that necro...

[Esper3k]

I am planning to acquire some nice Underground Seas (x2), but am naive on matters of early Magic cards as far as Pimp is concerned.

Relative to this point what, if any, are the reasons to prefer Beta over Alpha? I fairly sure that Alpha is rarer in terms of print run, but I almost alway see people trying to track down Beta versions of cards. Is this simply due to scarcity or is there another reason for this trend?

Thank you!

Yeah, as others have said, Beta is when the shape of the card first became the current shape.

Alpha cards had more rounded corners than Betas and thus could conceivably be considered marked cards. Really though, as long as you're playing in sleeves (and if you're not with Alpha/Beta...), you're ok, but that's why Betas are more coveted than Alphas (although again, there's not a huge price difference if at all on most cards).

[death]

In Vintage, when it comes to Power 9 cards, it doesn't really matter if they're mixed Alpha/Beta, no one really cares as long as they're black bordered it's pimp.

For dual lands/legacy staples though I would always prefer a Beta over an Alpha.

[oRen]

Great style but it would be perfect with a bb Volcanic, non foil Goyfs and the 4th German Sword

In Vintage, when it comes to Power 9 cards, it doesn't really matter if they're mixed Alpha/Beta, no one really cares as long as they're black bordered it's pimp.

I do. Especially mixed sets of Moxen suck.

Anyway there is only around 1/3 of Alpha compared to Beta so I would always stick to them as long the pricing is the same.

[death]

So you find mixing Alpha/Beta moxen not OK, but mixing Alpha with mostly non-Alpha in legacy as OK?

[oRen]

So you find mixing Alpha/Beta moxen not OK, but mixing Alpha with mostly non-Alpha legacy as OK?

I never said that ... but yeah. Problem ?

[Royal Ass.]

There was a negative stigma towards Alpha cards originally because they were not legal for tournament play because of the rounded corners. Even after they changed the rule allowing you to play them in sleeves that negative stigma lingered and Alpha cards were generally worth less than Beta. That has slowly changed and now Alpha is generally worth more than Beta due to the lower print run.

There is an argument to make perhaps that since Alpha was banned for tournament play during a time when people didn't play with sleeves that Alpha cards are in better condition as a whole and thus mint Beta could be more rare, or just as rare as mint Alpha. I have no way to substantiate that claim but I'd be interested in hearing from collectors if they have noticed that anecdotally.

I just picked up a Beta Lotus last week. Would have preferred alpha but BB lotuses are getting more and more difficult to find and I was happy with the price and condition of the one I got and went for it.

Dan Bock is hording power cards and trying to corner the market from what I hear. He only posts the shittiest ones on ebay and asks insane prices for them. It's actually starting to affect the price of BB power. Has anyone else noticed this? Check out his auctions....

Personally I prefer Alpha and kind of like the rounded corners, but both are pimp and there is no problem with mixing A/B in the same deck. My Type 1 deck has both and unless you look at the card closely you don't even notice different corners.

[Markers]

Dan Bock is hording power cards and trying to corner the market from what I hear. He only posts the shittiest ones on ebay and asks insane prices for them. It's actually starting to affect the price of BB power. Has anyone else noticed this? Check out his auctions....

Never liked the guy. Hoarding power is stupid

[Esper3k]

Yeah, I will never buy from that guy's eBay store even if he's got the lowest price (this pretty much never happens though).

The most frustrating thing for me is all of his auctions allow you to make an offer... but he'll never come down more than a couple cents on any particular auction. Annoying. I've had him send me snarky messages back saying "I know how much stuff is worth" and such when I've put in an offer maybe a dollar lower than the lowest BIN listed.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

@Dan Bock:

Yeah, the guy sucks. I ordered 3 Vendilion Cliques from him at $9.99 a piece weeks before the price jumped. He never responded to my messages even though the package was marked as shipped and had a tracking number. Ebay ended up refunding my money. He has a huge trail of negative feedback sharing the same story.

[Fossil4182]

I find it interesting that SCG will sell Beta Seas in MP condition that are in as good or possibly a little worse condition than the cards on eBay, but is only asking $900. SP are only $1,000. ABU and Dan Bock are asking at least $200 to $300 more on some of these cards in relatively the same condition.

I'm not trying to rep out for SCG by any means, but I do find the market difference really interesting.

(part of the discovery process when researching this stuff)

In a somewhat related topic, the aforementioned discussion has shifted toward retail prices. What would you all perceive the street value of a Beta Sea to be worth?

[Sims]

All due respect though, it's Dan Bock. The man drives a black Lotus and has so much of that stuff it's not even funny. In all my interactions with him his stuff might be a bit on the higher end but it's all as described and the shipping/turn around times are very prompt. Get what you pay for, I suppose.

[Markers]

Here are some of my favorites:

Signed Book Jace


Double signed Serra Elemental (altered by Amy)


My signed Maze playset with a maze above the cards:

[Richard Cheese]

All due respect though, it's Dan Bock. The man drives a black Lotus and has so much of that stuff it's not even funny. In all my interactions with him his stuff might be a bit on the higher end but it's all as described and the shipping/turn around times are very prompt. Get what you pay for, I suppose.

Do you think he bought a black Lotus just so he can say he drives a Black Lotus?