[Deck] Berserk Stompy

[NihilObstat]

I'm playtesting a Peasant version (just to get extra value out of my Berserks), and someone suggested Wild Mongrel.

I thought that Berserk was banned in Peasant.

Why would we want to play Wild Mongrel? If there was at least a nice pump with madness, but I think that he really isn't good in our deck.

[Gui]

Finally. Vines for one mana!

Ranger's Guile G
Instant
Target creature you control gets +1/+1 and gains hexproof until end of turn

*_*

[boneclub24]

*_*

I'm not really sure what this means. I really just don't care for that card (sub-optimal pump)...

[Gui]

I'm not really sure what this means. I really just don't care for that card (sub-optimal pump)...

In my view it is better than Vines of Vastwood for this deck, because it is less mana intensive (for the same it gives aditional dmg for the math). I'll test this in my list, probably something like this: -2 Growth, -1 Sylvan, -1 Zealot, +4 Ranger's Guile.

Better than that would be if it was phy mana for hexproof, or for +2/+2 hexproof of something like +2/+0 hexproof, but I'll try this one.

[NihilObstat]

I'm not really sure what this means. I really just don't care for that card (sub-optimal pump)...

Agree! Post testing results Gui ;)

[umbowta]

Name: Ambush Viper
Cost: 1{G}
Type: Creature - Snake
Pow/Tgh: 2/1
Rules Text: Flash
Deathtouch


Doubles as unpredicted beater and removal for attacking creatures... hmmm

It's a nice little trick but it doesn't fit with the intent of the deck. I mean we're not playing green control here.

The goal is to deal lethal damage as soon as possible no matter what their game plan is. I don't want to interact with my opponents creatures. I want to aim a loaded pit skulk at their dome and say, "dodge this".

[Gui]

Agree! Post testing results Gui ;)

So far I played 3 or 4 games with it, don't have much to say... It's indeed better than Vines of Vastwood cuz it deals damage in adition to the hexproof for , but it wasn't relevant so far.

It's a nice little trick but it doesn't fit with the intent of the deck. I mean we're not playing green control here.

The goal is to deal lethal damage as soon as possible no matter what their game plan is. I don't want to interact with my opponents creatures. I want to aim a loaded pit skulk at their dome and say, "dodge this".

Makes sense. I was just pointing an option, and didn't test it yet. The good part could be the "evasion" it creates when paired against a bigger creature that the opposing player is not willing to lose.

[orcanmail]

I read on the vial goblin thread (my other deck) that mental misstep has been banned. Got to be good for berserk stompy with all our 1 drops and pumps, especially berserk on hexproof creatures which now have more chance of resolving.

So far I played 3 or 4 games with it, don't have much to say... It's indeed better than Vines of Vastwood cuz it deals damage in adition to the hexproof for , but it wasn't relevant so far.



Makes sense. I was just pointing an option, and didn't test it yet. The good part could be the "evasion" it creates when paired against a bigger creature that the opposing player is not willing to lose.

[Gui]

It's a nice little trick but it doesn't fit with the intent of the deck. I mean we're not playing green control here.

The goal is to deal lethal damage as soon as possible no matter what their game plan is. I don't want to interact with my opponents creatures. I want to aim a loaded pit skulk at their dome and say, "dodge this".

What do you think of Ranger's Guile (hexproof +1/+1 for ) and Prey Upon(your creature fights an opponent creature for )?


Here's a brew idea for test:

17 Forest
4 Jungle Lion
4 Skarrgan pit-skulk
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
2 Viridian Zealot
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
4 Seal os Strength
2 Sylvan Library
2 Prey Upon
3 Ranger's Guile
2 Giant Growth

It's not much, but will be fair to try some games. I should probably start testing 4 Guile, and probably 4 Prey too, but I figure the deck doesn't have much space for all I want to use (at least 12 1cc 2/x creatures, at least 4 Silhanas, all 16 fixed pumps: Zerk+Rancor+Invigorate+Seal, at least +2 other pumps besides the hexproof one, at least 2 Sylvan Library)

Prey Upon is situational, so I can't cut many pumps for it

[paeng4983]

What do you think of Ranger's Guile (hexproof +1/+1 for ) and Prey Upon(your creature fights an opponent creature for )?


Here's a brew idea for test:

17 Forest
4 Jungle Lion
4 Skarrgan pit-skulk
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
2 Viridian Zealot
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
4 Seal of Strength
2 Sylvan Library
2 Prey Upon
3 Ranger's Guile
2 Giant Growth

It's not much, but will be fair to try some games. I should probably start testing 4 Guile, and probably 4 Prey too, but I figure the deck doesn't have much space for all I want to use (at least 12 1cc 2/x creatures, at least 4 Silhanas, all 16 fixed pumps: Zerk+Rancor+Invigorate+Seal, at least +2 other pumps besides the hexproof one, at least 2 Sylvan Library)

Prey Upon is situational, so I can't cut many pumps for it

Im not a fan of that prey upon card.
But i like the new VoV, though im not yet sure what to cut off for Ranger's Guile. Or i'd simply put 2 or 3 copies of it in my SB.

@ Banning of MM, horray! We can now roam again in the battlefield!

The snake with flash and deathtouch abilities is worth considering if you're expecting an aggro meta. maybe a couple of them would fit in your SB. :)
but i'd rather use [card] fog [/card]. It torn a lot of games. :)

[Gui]

Im not a fan of that prey upon card.
But i like the new VoV, though im not yet sure what to cut off for Ranger's Guile. Or i'd simply put 2 or 3 copies of it in my SB.

Yeah, after some consideration, I decided I'll try Ranger's list first, without prey upon. I believe it's more important in general...

Something like this:

//Lands [17]
17 Forest

//Creatures [19]
4 Jungle Lion
4 Skarrgan pit-skulk
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
3 Viridian Zealot

//Pumps [21]
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
4 Seal os Strength
3 Ranger's Guile
2 Giant Growth
//Sylvan Library [3]
3 Sylvan Library

Maybe 4 is the right number, but I'll start of with 3.

[boneclub24]

Once INN comes out on Cockatrice, I can get a lot more testing it.

[paeng4983]

Yeah, after some consideration, I decided I'll try Ranger's list first, without prey upon. I believe it's more important in general...

Something like this:

//Lands [17]
17 Forest

//Creatures [19]
4 Jungle Lion
4 Skarrgan pit-skulk
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
3 Viridian Zealot

//Pumps [21]
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
4 Seal of Strength
3 Ranger's Guile
2 Giant Growth
//Sylvan Library [3]
3 Sylvan Library

Maybe 4 is the right number, but I'll start of with 3.

Why did you cut kavu off the list?
Dont you use fetches anymore?
Isnt 3 sylvan library too many?
Where are your evasions?

Your build is somewhat different from what i am using.
Maybe its just me but i tried that 17 straight forest and i was drawing dead cards not unlike with fetches, chances of drawing an answered prayer increases :)

Here's my current list for sharing purposes:

4 jungle lion
4 nettle sentinel
4 skarggan pit skulk
2 scryb sprites
2 scryb ranger
4 kavu predator
4 silhana ledgewalker

4 berserk
4 rancor
4 Might of old krosa
3 seal of strength
4 invigorate

10 forest
7 G_fetches

SB
1 gaea's blessing
3 vexing susher
4 tormod's crypt
4 mind break trap
3 seeds of innocence (affinity is popular here for some reason, and if you'll reach top8, you encounter the MUD aggro legacy thing)

or this SB line up
4 rushwood legate (if i am expecting an ocean of blue decks variants)
4 tormod's crypt
4 mind breaktrap
2 fog
1 gaea's blessing

Here are some of my SB materials
2 wrap invigor = for rock/ junk decks. also for those who loves to use mass non regen removals
3 vines of vastwood = if i am expecting decks that has only spot removals (such as zoo, burn/ sligh and the like)
2 needle = for those who loves to use activated abilities
4 N.O & 1 progen = sometimes for transformational surprise. ^_^

[umbowta]

What do you think of Ranger's Guile (hexproof +1/+1 for ) and Prey Upon(your creature fights an opponent creature for )?

Keeping in line with the deck intent, Prey Upon is not even in my realm of consideration. It's a conditional removal spell at best. I want to avoid interacting with my opponents creatures as much as possible, and this card actually encourages interaction. No thanks. Give me more evasion on my creatures and keep the conditional spells to pumps.

Ranger's Guile would be interesting if it was an enchantment with flash, which it doesn't seem to be. Therefore, it ends up being little more than a counterspell effective only against removal.

Why did you cut kavu off the list?

Where are your evasions?

Seconded!

The best creatures in the deck are:

Skarggan Pit Skulk
Kavu Predator
Silhana Ledgewalker

I think I might run 12, 6, and 6 of those, respectively, if it were legal! Heheheh!
...which makes me wonder--Why aren't we considering GSZ in this deck? Dropping a Kavu on turn 2 and then GSZing for a second one on turn 3 with a single Invigorate in hand is very strong.

Lastly, I noticed Viridian Zealot in your main. If you want maindeck removal just splash white and run Pridemage. There's no good reason to run Zealot anymore. This is even more true if GSZ proves to be beneficial. Run Pridemage as a one of, toss in 3 Horizon Canopy and a Savannah and you're golden.

[Gui]

Keeping in line with the deck intent, Prey Upon is not even in my realm of consideration. It's a conditional removal spell at best. I want to avoid interacting with my opponents creatures as much as possible, and this card actually encourages interaction. No thanks. Give me more evasion on my creatures and keep the conditional spells to pumps.

Ranger's Guile would be interesting if it was an enchantment with flash, which it doesn't seem to be. Therefore, it ends up being little more than a counterspell effective only against removal.

Seconded!

The best creatures in the deck are:

Skarggan Pit Skulk
Kavu Predator
Silhana Ledgewalker

I think I might run 12, 6, and 6 of those, respectively, if it were legal! Heheheh!
...which makes me wonder--Why aren't we considering GSZ in this deck? Dropping a Kavu on turn 2 and then GSZing for a second one on turn 3 with a single Invigorate in hand is very strong.

Lastly, I noticed Viridian Zealot in your main. If you want maindeck removal just splash white and run Pridemage. There's no good reason to run Zealot anymore. This is even more true if GSZ proves to be beneficial. Run Pridemage as a one of, toss in 3 Horizon Canopy and a Savannah and you're golden.

Hmmm... I was not liking Kavu much on my tests, and decided to try Zealot. I won't splash for because I am so often @ 1 land and still going, or @ two lands and using both, and wasteland is everywhere. 17 lands is a magical number, you know.

It's not much important, in my view, Zealot works as a comeback for stupid things like Moat, but in the end, what really wins most games are the 2/x creatures and Silhanas. I know how awesome Skarrgan is, but Nettle/Jungle @ 1st turn is just amazing as well, for having power 2. Kavu was rarely winning me games, I didn't miss him much (but maybe it is because my tests are slowing down each time).

Have you been testing something?

Why did you cut kavu off the list?
Dont you use fetches anymore?
Isnt 3 sylvan library too many?
Where are your evasions?

I never used fetches. They never work as intended, their benefit is not sensible, and stifle messing with my mana is terrible.
Kavu explained above.
Sylvan is awesome against most matchups, I rarely regreat having them, and sometimes having two wins games against control as well... you can try yourself.
I don't use much evasion cuz I just realized how having more pumps happened to trump evasion, either by dealing more zerk damage, or by killing opposing blocker. Also, Silhana and Skarrgan got a good amount of evasion as well, if needed. Raw power was better than evasion, at least in my tests.

[umbowta]

Have you been testing something?

Nope. I've been pretty settled on my list with the last change being the addition of Horizon Canopy. I am considering GSZ now though.

[Gui]

Nope. I've been pretty settled on my list with the last change being the addition of Horizon Canopy. I am considering GSZ now though.

Could you share the list, and your thoughts on the new list? GZS w/ Dryad Arbor suport?

[boneclub24]

GSZ could actually be pretty decent here. It's not rare for me to have 3 land out...

[paeng4983]

yehey GSZ is mentioned again, and im posting my list of berserk stumpy v.2 of my own :)

6 G_fetches
1 drayd arbor
8 forest
2 wasteland

1 xantid swarm
2 skyshroud cutter
4 kavu predator
4 esg
1 thrun the last troll
1 scryb ranger
4 noble
2 wall of blossoms
1 kitchen finks

4 berserk
4 invigorate
4 vines of vastwood (might replace this one with the new vines)

3 reverent silence

4 GSZ
2 Worldly tutor

2 sylvan library

[LordEvilTeaCup]

Take out Worldly Tutor, it's suboptimal. I see you got yourself a tool chest of 1-of utility creatures, but even then, it's not worth it. The 4 of GSZ is enough, card disadvantage is not your friend, unless we're talking FOW lol.