[Deck] Elves Combo

[Elvish Visionary]

I am so happy about the banning of MM it totally wrecked our deck and many more. Its going to be fun sleeving up the pointy ears again. Pre MM my board was:

4x Leyline of Lifeforce
4x Thorn of Amythst
3-4 Krosan Grip

then i would run a few other cards(meta dependent) Defense Grid, Mindbreak Trap, Masticore; open for suggestions/thoughts

FYI I do not run the Living Wish version

[Sigar]

lol? Misstep leaving hurting this deck? Come on, of course it's a good thing that a free hard counter for Glimpse and all the elves leaves the format, don't be silly. I'd rather face storm combo, than NO RUG any day of the week.

[Waikiki]

I'd rather face storm combo, than NO RUG any day of the week.

Why?

[Sigar]

Against combo you goldfish, and you are equally fast. Post-board you pretty much rape them if you play cards against them. NO RUG is living hell with fire/ice, mental misstep (cya ;) bolt, lavaman and jitte. Fire/Ice becomes a joke now that Nacatl and Lackey are cards again, and Misstep is gone, so I think Elves is back in business!

[Waikiki]

imo combo is 1 to 0.5 turns faster then you are. Goldfishing is pretty hard. Also I dont feel sideboard offers that strong of a plan against combo.

the only card I really hated was fire/ice the rest didnt really bother me.

[catmint]

Against combo you goldfish, and you are equally fast. Post-board you pretty much rape them if you play cards against them. NO RUG is living hell with fire/ice, mental misstep (cya ;) bolt, lavaman and jitte. Fire/Ice becomes a joke now that Nacatl and Lackey are cards again, and Misstep is gone, so I think Elves is back in business!

raping combo postboard... sure.
Other combo decks have much better protection in the form of discard or orim's chant, so the storm matchup is a bad one for elves!

[Sigar]

They have Duress and Chant (which counters glimpse 1 for 1). If you care about the MU, you have 8 cards in the board (4 thorn, 4 mindbreak trap).

[resum]

countertop isn't suddenly the best deck now that misstep is gone, it was driven out by team america, merfolk, and no varients as early as march of this year. against storm you basically need to have a turn 1 cabal therapy, thoughtseize, or duress because even if you keep a turn 2 hand, they might just turn 1 you.

[Koby]

imo combo is 1 to 0.5 turns faster then you are. Goldfishing is pretty hard. Also I dont feel sideboard offers that strong of a plan against combo.

the only card I really hated was fire/ice the rest didnt really bother me.

I concur with both of these statements.

Storm Combo is Elves' quicker cousin, and CBtop is the true nemesis.

Fire/Ice is merely a speed bump, while Grim Lavamancer is a pain in the ass. Zoo is also tough to beat on the draw, and rough game 2 when they start off with Canonist.

[resum]

A lot of the resiliency of the misstep era lists might want to be updated to add more explosiveness. This may include crop rotations for cradles and ESG for a faster start.

[oarsman]

If you guys are losing to zoo, then you aren't playing the deck well. It should basically be a bye. Lavamancer can usually only activate three times before they run out of ammo, and then you just run them over if they aren't already dead. After boarding your vengevines demolish them. Nobody will accept this statement I am sure, but seriously if you are losing to zoo then it is your fault, not the matchup.

As for combo decks, I have been running six discard plus teeg in the board and winning about half the time. I think that has to be good enough, because I don't see how any more of the board can be sacrificed to combo matchups.

[NihilObstat]

So, just for a change of topic. It doesn't seem like we're gonna get any Woods Creatures in the Innistrad block :-/

We'll have to make do with what we know for another 3 months then. I'm really hoping for some new crazy elves to come up!!!

[Branches]

If you guys are losing to zoo, then you aren't playing the deck well. It should basically be a bye. Lavamancer can usually only activate three times before they run out of ammo, and then you just run them over if they aren't already dead. After boarding your vengevines demolish them. Nobody will accept this statement I am sure, but seriously if you are losing to zoo then it is your fault, not the matchup.

As for combo decks, I have been running six discard plus teeg in the board and winning about half the time. I think that has to be good enough, because I don't see how any more of the board can be sacrificed to combo matchups.

ur delusional. they dont run the shitty cards that dont effect you anymore like PoP and KoTR. 2 nacatls and a goyf will kill u in 2 turns. matchups p.bad on the draw

So, just for a change of topic. It doesn't seem like we're gonna get any Woods Creatures in the Innistrad block :-/

We'll have to make do with what we know for another 3 months then. I'm really hoping for some new crazy elves to come up!!!

maro confirmed no elves in inn. hf tho

[NihilObstat]

Maro confirmed no elves in inn. hf tho

Not in the whole block??? 9 months without any new nor repinted elves? I hope that means that next year's set is all about them ^^


What are you guys feeling like with these guys now without misstep? Let's try and make some sweet tops with them!!! What say you!?!?

[dakkonblackblade08]

I tweaked my deck a bit and is now like this:

CREATURES [37]
3 birchlore rangers
4 elvish visionary
4 elvish archdruid
1 emrakul, the aeons torn
2 fyndhorn elves
4 heritage druid
3 llanowar elves
4 nettle sentinel
4 priest of titania
4 quirion ranger
4 wirewwood symbiote

ARTIFACTS [3]
3 staff of domination

SPELLS [7]
1 concordant crossroads
3 genesis wave
3 glimpse of nature

LANDS [13]
7 forest
3 misty rainforest
3 verdant catacombs

SIDEBOARDS [15]
4 krosan grip
3 pithing needle
2 relic of progenitus
3 thorn of amethyst
2 tormod's cypt
1 viridian shaman

was able to beat NO RUG, Zoo and Merfolks..i love the synergy among staff, glimpse and genesis...the deck does not really rely on glimpse though..genesis wave is my favorite card in this deck :-)..wave for 5-8 already builds up especially if you were able to wave staff, archdruid/ priest and crossroads..the built is a bit resilient to aggro in fairness :-)

[Sigar]

3 glimpse of nature

Stopped reading right there..

[NihilObstat]

3 glimpse of nature

That's as senseless as playing 3 Natural order in NO Ruck, Merfolk with 3 Lord of Atlantis or ANT with 3 LED. Sure, the decks don't rely on the 1 card, but they're just too much of a house not to play 4. It's stupid, seriously!

There is no reason why you would want to want to reduce the Glimpse count.

[Mr. Safety]

Glimpse is ridiculous, it's the most powerful card in the deck. Genesis Wave isn't even comparable, really. Genesis Wave could make sense in an aggro-elves deck as a 1-2 of, because it can be a way to clog the board FAST with lords that can get you out of Firespout range. One card is an engine that draws you whetever you need to win (Glimpse) and one puts an arbitrary amount of elves onto the table to attack FTW (Wave.) It's a totally different approach, IMHO, and Genesis Wave doesn't belong in Combo Elves. Redundancy is achieved through Regal Force drawing a ton of cards, and Green Sun's Zenith or Summoner's Pact getting Regal Force.

In my humble opinion, if you're not hard-casting Emrakul, you're doing it wrong.

[Branches]

im noticing a trend in bad ppl wanting genesis wave in the deck. lol



That's odd. I'm noticing a trend in your posts - they are generally ill-formed (and perhaps less useful than they should be). The Source requires proper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure. Also, spell your words correctly. Cleanup your overall posting habits, please.

Welcome to The Source!

-4eak

[Koby]

im noticing a trend in bad ppl wanting genesis wave in the deck. lol

Resist the urge. Genesis Wave accomplished nothing that the deck isn't already able to accomplish, and opens you up to being destroyed by sweepers (Wrath, Firespout, Deed, etc). Genesis Wave is better suited in an Aggro Elves list than it is in Combo Elves.