That doesn't make sense. The price on FoW should be at its highest when blue is dominating. If the price on FoW dropped while MM was in the format, it's more likely to mean that people are selling out of the format. Unlike Standard, Legacy isn't a PTQ format, so if the format becomes too retarded and one-sided, many people will simply stop playing it.Originally Posted by Lancer
I completely agree with the fact that Misstep was a great way for non blue decks to at least have a chance against Storm and other fast combo, In fact, I ran 4 in Goblins and was very pleased as it made the matchups seem a lot fair.
The problem is that the card was designed in a way that, quoting Chapin "broke the illusion", as it made evident that blue was the best color in Legacy, therefore generating a blue core of 12 cards that was far better than the rest of the field (quoting Barnello). I do think that the intention of Wizards was a noble one, trying to make a card that someway evened the abysmal matchups of most non blue decks against Storm combo, and maybe in a parallel universe, there is a card thats legal and does exactly that: Not killing completely archetypes and helping against non-interactive decks in a efficient way.
Misstep was a step in the right way, if Wizards is true about their reasoning when they designed the card. The problem is that the solution they proposed accomplished that, but at a very high cost, making Legacy look like Type 2, where there's only a handfull of decent decks.
Haha, so many LOL's in there it's hard to pick a favorite. For me it's either "Force of Will will reach it's target value of 150 dollars by the beginning of next year." or "those that understand vertural card advantage." "Deck striping cards" was pretty good too.
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MM was the best solution to the win by diceroll.
Also its quite retarded to say BS, MM, Force is a combo that breaks the format. At least in europe, Maverick won lots of big tourneys and this deck is kinda dead with the rising of combo. And everybody who thinks goblins is playable again has no idea whats going on in legacy.
Humphrey is right. If you check theCounsil.es and all the european tournaments since Missteps release there's not such a thing as "blue dominance". Stoneblade was new but replaced only Countertop etc. equal in numbers. So if you watch Legacy worldwide everything was fine (like Survival). But if you only take SCG's, where 20% of the Field copy Gerry T.'s. last successful deck, as your meassure you have to come to such a conclusion that "blue dominates".
Seriously take the numbers of Zoo, Meerfolk, Stoneblade, NO RUG and Maverick that the Hatfields share each month and place them besides the worldwide ones: you'll see the difference. So why is SCG much more blue than everything else? (Don't come up with shit like "Europeans are "behind" in development")
Sligh16, I'm glad that you ran misstep in Goblins and realized it's power. Sadly I know a local that refuses to do so argueing that it's no goblin (Ringleader trigger; calling it a Dead card). Neither he considers Warren instigator to fix his issue with mental misstep (he's still running all the fatty gobbos like gang-bang commander etc.). Instead of doing anything he raised his voice that misstep needs a ban, being unfair and shit. I wish we had much more players like you around.
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So I'm wondering in this beautiful diverse format without MM what will happen to Maverick? Can I play anything aggro non Vial/non Tribal (excluding Zoo)?
I was wondering because in control my only option is CB now and it seems like a dull choice. Thought I could switch over playing aggro but there doesn't seem to be many options either...
Oh well, my favourite color is yellow and white is the closest color to yellow in Magic so I guess I'll play Vial White creatures and guess what, it'll be viable! I love the new-old Legacy meta!
/sarcasm
The sad fact is American players (I mean SCG circuit) refused to adapt playing against MM, didn't play Burn, didn't play Maverick and didn't brew new decks which could beat Blue. Instead found it easier to cry about MM and get it banned. Now they can show face and tell us to adapt to playing against Aether Vial. People have been doing it since Vial came out, thank you very much.
I appreciated playing against an aggro deck which didn't rely on sole speed, fellow creatures in the same color/tribe, instead had its own brewed synergies and interactions and being bested by Moms and Knights. At least I know I lost the game because the Maverick player was better, not because he won the die roll and put a "cheat creatures into play" on the table as an opener.
Zoo is the best and fastest aggro aggro deck (now that MM is finally out of the format). I don't really see why you feel the need to complain about Vial.
Zoo, Affinity, Rock, Bant, Merfolk, and Goblins have all done very well at large tournaments. Maverick's predecessor Survival was dominant when that was legal, and my understanding is Maverick was doing well in Europe well before Mental Misstep was printed.
So you can play Tier 1 or 2 aggro decks and reasonably expect to do well. You can't play Vial Unicorns and blame combo decks for losing though.
If people were selling out of the format, the price of dual lands would drop!
Secret about the second market: Prices tend to drop when the market suggest no intrest in the current price.
Second, I'm not actually understanding the argument that blue is dominating... Mental Misstep is intended to fit in every deck because it's "colorless" in a sense and it's targets are easy to dispose. This is why I believe the numbers were kind of screwy at the first place.
If Tormod's Crypt was the only answer to the graveyard it would be seen in almost every deck's sideboard.
Next the use and the existance of Force of Will and Brainstorm has not changed. If blue was really dominating we would see a few mono blue decks in the top 8. (again maybe I'm missing something here)
NO decks were on the rise since Survival, one of the reasons (that I believed) that pushed the banned of Survival is how some of the survival decks were sideboarding Natural Order which screwed with other players sideboards.
But recently a little card came out that made NO decks really good and it's not Mental Misstep... It's called: Green Sun's Zenith. It adopted blue so Brainstorm could Dig for such and such or dump such and such... I just dont see how the loss of MM will kill this deck. In fact they are much better because brainstorm isnt a target counterspell.
anyway I'm getting tired of ranting about the subject...
- Oh the horror! You had to adapt your deck to the new meta! Such a horrible travesty!Mental Misstep fundamentally changed this dynamic. Now there was a kind of tension between being efficient, and being vulnerable. Where once, jamming 16 to 20 one drops in your Zoo deck and crushing dreams was a given, you now needed to reexamine your curve, decide how much Misstep on turn one and two hurt you, and decide if you could actually afford to up the mana curve and slow the deck down to play through the card that would be everywhere.
That article was typical of channelfireball.
If you had to adapt your deck to a new meta, that would be OK. But if you have to adapt your deck to a single "card that would be everywhere", this in fact sounds like a problem to me.
In a similar way, It wouldn't be a problem if a card that weakens goblins OR High Tide OR Death and Taxes OR Dreadstill is printed. But a single card that weakens all this very different archetypes sounds like a problem to me.
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- Of course it sounds like a problem. It makes it obvious which decks are too dependant on a single card or not. It also makes obvious which decks are just pet decks because they crumble at the lost of a couple of cards in their deck. I miss Nimble Mongoose and Mysthic Enforcer decks, but that doesn't mean that just because my pet deck is dead that the meta should be forced to accommodate me. That's what casual, table top magic is for.
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For those complaining about the banning, have you considered what Snapcaster Mage would've done in a Mental Misstep format? I mean, Brainstorm might as well have been banned if they had let that happen, as well as every other one casting cost spell in the format. Now he requires mana to flashback a counter, and I'm grateful to R&D for making that happen.
That said, I still intend to make some grown men cry with Snapcaster.
I suspect WotC gave us a new toy(snapcaster), knowing the banning of MM was inevitable.
MM and snapcaster were never intended to be in Legacy together.
Sometimes I question the sanity of WotC.
After years we finally have a format where control players can actually play a normal game.
Now its back to: "Have a FoW? No? Vial, go, cya in g2"
Also combo gets stronger again, I really don't see how a format that decides the game in the first 1-3 turns is more fun than one where you actually need to play the game to win.
If MM was not intended for Legacy the card would of been banned upon announcement (ie, Mind's Desire) It was the bitching that got the card banned; even though very recently Dredge won a Star City game (oddly Dredge was thought to be dead because of MM)...
Now I'm looking at the bright side of the banning; there is no way anybody can justify the unbanning of BLACK VISE... (because the same logic used to banned Black Vise was addressed upon the banning of Mental Misstep).
Second Snapcaster hype is so funny that I'm almost pee in my pants. Question... besides Mental Misstep and Brainstorm what other spells is worth flashbacking with an additional 2cc? next question now that Mental Misstep is banned what other spell besides Brainstorm?
He could be ideal for Burn but the guy doesnt come into play on turn 2 and you would like to use his flashback ability, so your not using Snapcaster until turn 3 for a flashback bolt (3cc bolt is better then Hellspark Elemental?) so I dont see that happening.
He might see play in High Tide but I'm doubting it since he adds to the cost of the spell instead of allowing players to untap their lands. Also he cannot flashback a timespiral since the card is removed for the game after being played so we are looking at a 6cc turnabout? hehe...
The impact of snapcaster mage and mental misstep would have been a pretty big change... perhaps pushing blue into dominance. So to stop the interaction of this new blue card, they banned what was essentially a colorless card? The real problem here is that there really isn't a good answer to combo decks outside of blue (discard being marginal at best). This doesn't effect me too much, since I own all the blue duals, but I was starting to enjoy playing decks without force of will.
And the reason MM was so good against combo was that it was actually good enough to mainboard, meaning you might actually have a shot at winning game 1. Starting every G1 with a loss then boarding in a few marginal anti-combo cards and hoping to win 2 games off the back of them does not sound like a winning proposition.
This is what frustrates me most with the MM banning.
Swords to Plowshares, Spell Snare, Daze, and spell pierce. I think snapcaster might get some use in control. Body to chump block while getting most needed card back.
Second Snapcaster hype is so funny that I'm almost pee in my pants. Question... besides Mental Misstep and Brainstorm what other spells is worth flashbacking with an additional 2cc? next question now that Mental Misstep is banned what other spell besides Brainstorm?
You guys all have it backwards.
I don't think Mental Misstep was banned because Snapcaster was coming. Snapcaster Mage was coming knowing MM was gonna get axed in the next set of bannings, elsewise they wouldn't have printed Snapcaster Mage.
I think MM/Snapcaster would've been very frustrating for me, but no more so than Counterbalance was. It's not a card that would've went into every blue deck anyway and I'm not sure it would've lead to any sort of broken dominance. Red decks would've gotten a lot better. Paying 2 life to counter a Lightning Bolt seems meh at best.
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