Legacy is doomed. SCG jumping on board the "Ban Brainstorm" wagon. :(

[menace13]

Just ban all the blue duals and everyone will be happy:/

[Tao]

I'll leave these here (last 3 months)

Lets ban Show and tell thread
Lets ban Fetchlands thread
Lets ban Natural Order thread

before that it was Mental Misstep, Force of Will, Vial, Lackey... you get the point.

When looking at this thread it looks like the cry for bannings norm is each one/two months. By my subpar prediction skills I see Dr. Jones making thread about banning Force of Will somewhere in next 3 months.

It says nothing that Jones acutally wants to ban Force of Will. If I find someone who wants to unban Ancestral Recall and Black Lotus would that mean anything? No. So stop using him as an example.

Banning Fetchlands was a one page thread and more of a thought experiment and a reminder of how good the lands of the format are than a discussion about actually banning them. Natural Order and Show and Tell both lead to unexciting games. That is why more people want to have these cards banned than popular cards like Brainstorm, even though they don't deserve it as much. Same thing with Lackey except that Goblins actually were close to being dominant enough to justify a ban for a while (until the power creep ate Goblins). And Mental Misstep? I am one of the few who really like the impact the card had so I also like your point but still I can see why it got banned. So really, you name that card as an argument against bans?

[SpikeyMikey]

It says nothing that Jones acutally wants to ban Force of Will. If I find someone who wants to unban Ancestral Recall and Black Lotus would that mean anything? No. So stop using him as an example.

Banning Fetchlands was a one page thread and more of a thought experiment and a reminder of how good the lands of the format are than a discussion about actually banning them. Natural Order and Show and Tell both lead to unexciting games. That is why more people want to have these cards banned than popular cards like Brainstorm, even though they don't deserve it as much. Same thing with Lackey except that Goblins actually were close to being dominant enough to justify a ban for a while (until the power creep ate Goblins). And Mental Misstep? I am one of the few who really like the impact the card had so I also like your point but still I can see why it got banned. So really, you name that card as an argument against bans?

All I can say is that I'm sure Tom LaPille would be behind banning Brainstorm. After all, it's not very useful in Zoo.

[DragoFireheart]

All I can say is that I'm sure Tom LaPille would be behind banning Brainstorm. After all, it's not very useful in Zoo.

Great Sable Stag isn't good against brainstorm either so that's further reason to ban it. /sarcasm

[Einherjer]

I wrote to Wotc that Id like to see brainstorm NOT banned, thats what they responded:

"Hello *********,

Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast! We appreciate your suggestion and understanding how you feel about the card Brainstorm. We love receiving feedback, ideas, and suggestions from our customers. I assure you that the Customer Service Department meets with teams around the company on a regular basis, and we make it a priority that your voice is heard. While I cannot guarantee a direct response, I can promise that I will personally pass your concern along to the right people.

Thank you for voicing your opinion, as it is one way we know how our customers feel.

Thanks for playing Legacy and good luck in all your gaming!"

[nedleeds]

Innistradblock: even with just 1 set!!! there is 2 blue creature (?!?!?!)cards that is finding its way into decks in a card pool as old as magic itself!

I think the bold is what got the pot all stirred up.

If Snapcaster Mage was RR to cast and acted like a little Recoup this discussion wouldn't be half as heated.

[Mr. Safety]

All I can say is that I'm sure Tom LaPille would be behind banning Brainstorm. After all, it's not very useful in Zoo.

Maybe I'm retarded, but I thought Brainstorm was the reason to be playing Blue Zoo (along with tag-along Force of Will and other various blue control tactics)? Brainstorm makes that deck tick, does it not?

Beware: Tom Lapille's head may explode when he finds out zoo is using blue control...

[Admiral_Arzar]

I think the bold is what got the pot all stirred up.

If Snapcaster Mage was RR to cast and acted like a little Recoup this discussion wouldn't be half as heated.

We wouldn't be having this discussing at all in that case. Snapcaster would be played in Burn and that would be that.

[Mr. Safety]

We wouldn't be having this discussing at all in that case. Snapcaster would be played in Burn and that would be that.

News at 11, burn decks now splashing blue for Snapcaster Mage and Brainstorm...

[Admiral_Arzar]

News at 11, burn decks now splashing blue for Snapcaster Mage and Brainstorm...

Bro, it's too early in the morning for this kind of nonsense. As you were...

[DragoFireheart]

If Snappy were red and Delver were black, we wouldn't hear a peep out of anyone.

[Sims]

Bro, it's too early in the morning for this kind of nonsense. As you were...

1 Island
5 Mountain
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding tarn
6 Other Red Fetch

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Snapcaster Mage

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Price of Progress
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Brainstorm


Seems reasonable to me.

[I am the brainwasher]

I am truly sorry to disappoint some of you guys but Snapcaster is already in some Burn-decks. This is no joke at all. The first time I saw it was at a GP-Amsterdam side-event, and you know what? The guy who played it did quite well with it and made an overall competent appereance as a Legacy-player in general.
I talked with him quite a bit, because I was truly interested in his deck and he told me that he and his mates tested it on MTGO heavily and it was their deck of choice for the GP. Really.
I am testing different versions of UR-Burn at the moment and I am quite impressed how awesome Brainstorm, Snapcaster and Delver of Secrets fit into that shell and abandon that annoying variance of the deck.
Again, this is no joke at all. Better prepare for 1st turn fetch Volcaninc Goblin in the near future!

[DragoFireheart]

1 Island
5 Mountain
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding tarn
6 Other Red Fetch

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Snapcaster Mage

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Price of Progress
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Brainstorm


Seems reasonable to me.

Oh god that is hilarious I have every one of those cards besides price of progress. I may go try it later...

[Fl0do]

We now have the 9th of November, the B&R update will be on 20ieth of December. Isn't it a little bit too early to theorize what cards should be banned? I mean Innistrad is ~1 month old and the metagame is still shifting and settling.

I think it is ridiculous to determine the format's culprit by almost one major tournament series (for me it looks like that).
Admittedly blue got some nice tools in Innistrad, but I think the format will adapt if you give it some time.

Calm down folks ;)

[nedleeds]

Oh god that is hilarious I have every one of those cards besides price of progress. I may go try it later...

The last thing Burn wants is to top deck more mountains. Brainstorm helps out a great deal in that regard. I think the deck needs MO@R GUT SHOT though.

[caiomarcos]

I am truly sorry to disappoint some of you guys but Snapcaster is already in some Burn-decks. This is no joke at all. The first time I saw it was at a GP-Amsterdam side-event, and you know what? The guy who played it did quite well with it and made an overall competent appereance as a Legacy-player in general.
I talked with him quite a bit, because I was truly interested in his deck and he told me that he and his mates tested it on MTGO heavily and it was their deck of choice for the GP. Really.
I am testing different versions of UR-Burn at the moment and I am quite impressed how awesome Brainstorm, Snapcaster and Delver of Secrets fit into that shell and abandon that annoying variance of the deck.
Again, this is no joke at all. Better prepare for 1st turn fetch Volcaninc Goblin in the near future!

I guess that says it all.

[Rizso]

Thoughtlace is clearly the problem its making every card blue!

Cant say im to happy about the Delver being blue, Its effect is more red. Chance effect on it. But guess it didnt go to red as then it would be a werewolf and they needed a blue flipcard. Sadly flavor seem to made it. Mad scientist turns into an insect hybrid wich is very much blue.

Question imo is more why Megaman was made blue.

Would like to see them print more non-blue eternal cards or cards that punish blue more.

Mean look at the m12 red sideboard card and compare it to the blue one..
Flashfreeze vs Combust... Combust doesnt even kill the Consecreted Sphinx.. Is it strange red is none existing anywhere? They get Worse cards then other colors with crappy board cards. Blue only got 1 enemy color.. Red is a rare color. But why do I care not like im gonna play red in standard anyway...

[Catitas]

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/v..._Too_Fast.html

another article Demars talks about banning brainstorm too

[Koby]

1 Island
5 Mountain
4 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding tarn
6 Other Red Fetch

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Snapcaster Mage

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Price of Progress
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Brainstorm


Seems reasonable to me.

About 90% similar to a deck my friend Marc played at the Legacy Open. Promptly lost to Belcher round 1.