The vintage part of that article made me LOL. I love it when blue control players cry about Dredge, in any format. The guy obviously hates combo with a passion, and anything he says should probably be taken with a grain of salt as a result. I do agree that Blightsteel was a stupid printing, however.Originally Posted by Catitas
But anyways, back on topic. His reasoning for a Brainstorm ban was entirely based on Brainstorm enabling combo. It does enable combo, true. However, it's basically never the combo decks enabled by it that dominate the format, so I don't see the issue from that angle. Even during the Mystical Tutor era, combo was not dominant (Hulk-Flash was the only time I can recall where combo was actually dominant in Legacy).
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12 Blue cards + islands in the main, could easily board Forces/Spell Pierces.
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What about the other 7 rounds?
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Or you could run REB/Pyros.
I think he ended up 2-3 after playing against Dredge, then went to draft. The list looks solid, but at the end of the day it's a Burn deck without the ability to interact favorable.
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I'm not very good at making my point across in these types of discussions however I want to throw this question out in the open.
Banning cards such as Brainstorm is nerfing a color because it is overpowered. However we "mostly" play eternal formats for the power level. So isn't nerfing colors and trying to trim them to the same underpowered level actually nerfing the whole format and the game? Isn't it a better approach to ask for better cards for other colors so that they can all be powerful and playing Legacy can actually feel more empowering than playing Standard or Modern?
Color blue is inherently stronger than other colors because the flavor of the color implies that it is the color of the mind. It provides greater strategic options. Even without Brainstorm blue will be nerfed yet still more powerful than other colors. I don't think the solution is banning the key cards of blue until it is underpowered. As a legacy player I want to be able to use my old cards and do broken things with my deck. With Brainstorm out of the format I could find it more appealing to start a slower investment process into Vintage.
Direct damage? CHECK. (Psionic Blast, Mind Bomb)
Discard? CHECK. (Mind Bomb, Amnesia, Clique, Piracy Charm)
Creature removal? CHECK. (Pongify, Control Magic, etc)
Land destruction? CHECK. (Land Equilibrium, Mana Vortex, Annex, etc)
Recursion? CHECK.
R&D has been systemically breaking down any distinction between other colors and Blue, continuing to push the envelope with Blue effects, and stopped printing those cards in those colors.
We mise well just concede that Blue is the only color of Magic, and just make every card Blue.
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You forgot Stifle, the best LD ever printed
Anyhow, unless they ban like a dozen blue cards, the colour will always be head and shoulders above the others. Players do after all like some skill in their MtG. Cards like Brainstorm are, above all, fun to play. One just has to look at Modern in order to see what a Blue-neutered format is like, where all the fun stuff is banned. I wonder why there's practically no interest in Modern?
I certainly don't want Legacy to go down the same road.
I think about how the vintage community handles strong cards completely differently - take for example Bazaar of Baghdad.
Dredge won the vintage championships and some familiarity with vintage Dredge, Bazzar is pinnacle to the deck - however we don't have people clamoring for it's restriction.
Instead, the vintage community responds by dedicating a large percentage of their sideboards (and sometimes their maindeck) to beating dredge.
Additionally, they understand that Dredge is an important pillar of the metagame and without this pillar, the balance suffers. A similar case can be made about the inclusion of Nature's Claim in vintage maindecks.
Here, it seems easier to complain about Brainstorm's presence than innovate. Most colors can dedicate sideboard hate and even pack some maindeck surprises - IMO REB has never been better as a maindeck choice!
Red - REB, Pyroblast
Green - Choke (amazing choice against a blue deck with small land count)
Black - Duress, Thoughtseize, Inquisition
White - Grand Abolisher, Aven Mindcensor (not as good as the others but white has always had poor answers to white)
Or just go Chalice @1
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
People really need to play more Chalice Sphere decks. They are good against Blue and combo decks.
I'm sorry, but I am Tony (who was playing against Alex) and these criticisms are simply not true. Where did you get that commentary from? It is not written on the starcity write-up, and the match was not broadcast on the live feed. Even if he had the Swords in hand the turn Jin came into play, he did not have the mana to cast it (hence the reason I was able to Daze his Knight in the first place).When I read the SCG event coverage and these are the kind of plays I'm looking at from the Quarterfinals and on... It doesn't really make me want to give a crap about what the opinions coming from said SCG results are showing anyone...
Quarterfinals: Alex Bertoncini vs. Tony Murata
(Tries to rush the KotR under no pressure played right into a Daze. He even lucks out and gets it back a turn later from Exhume, and apparently even though he's got the StP in hand... Decides to wait until after Gitaxias draws before trying to remove him?To the shock and awe of precisely zero people, it gets FoW'd after the draw 7.)
So we heard you invested half your hand and a chunk of life into a Trinisphere only to have it countered. Now I hear you are running a deck full of subpar cards.
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Same here.
Screw you OP, I nearly had a stroke!
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Lodestone Golem
Etched Champion
Cranial Plating
Chalice of the Void
Those are bad cards?
In Legacy, yes.
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Someone needs to play against steel stompy.
The decks these cards are featured in are both inconsistent when compared to other choices and vulnerable to all sorts of hate. Legacy does not have enough accelerants readily available to ensure your timings for sphere effects aren't horribly late
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Except that deck loses to g2 and g3.
Any SB just shits all over that deck, not to mention its clunky and easy to disrupt on its own.
So what? Every deck has a weakness. It's an aggro deck with good game against blue and combo decks. It'd be ridiculously overpowered if it wasn't as clunky as it was.
When your turn 1 lock piece gets countered, yes, those are terrible cards in this format lol
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