Originally Posted by cdr
Makes you sad regarding what?
Bertoncini's/SCG's (writers, crew included) behaviour or that this is all ripped apart within seconds by TS members?
Agree that this is sad as a whole but definetly leaning on the blame Bertoncini-side.
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This depends on what the Rule Enforcement Level (REL) is.
Professional REL= Day 2 of Grand Prix, PTs, etc. Remaining silent and passive during matches and other official tournament sections, such as Limited
deck construction, in which players are also required to be silent. If spectators believe they have
observed a rules or policy violation, they are encouraged to alert a judge as soon as possible. At
Regular or Competitive REL, spectators are permitted to ask the players to pause the match while
they alert a judge. At Professional REL, spectators must not interfere with the match directly.
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Alex is on the same level as former USC and current Seatle Seahawks football coach Pete Carrol. Win a lot by cheating and then bail for another job before the ban hammer comes down.
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Funny that SCG made a statement to protect the cheater while it is pretty OBVIOUSE that Bertoncini drew 4 cards. Bsides this Brainstorm incident isn't the only cheat scam Bertoncini did."StarCityGames.com (Jared) The brainstorm play was analyzed in the HD version from our archives frame by frame to count and track the individual cards drawn. What seems to be a fourth card is actually a shadow caused by a bend in the sleeve. Sorry guys, but this one is on the up and up."
I am very curious for StarCity to release a 5 second video clip of the HD version. I feel like the low res shows fairly well that there are indeed 4 cards.
edit - "The line that passes right by the tip of his ring finger is a shadow on the bottom card's sleeve. This same frame was pointed out to me right after the event and I had the same exact reaction - "Smoking Gun!" - but after reviewing the HD, it is clearly 3 cards."
The 4th card isn't the one by the ring finger. It is the index finger.
I think the take home message is "It only count as cheating if you get caught. Even you DO get caught if you have SCG to back your arse up then it still does not count as cheating"
Oh, give me a break.
There's one thing SCG cares about, and that's fairness. Their events department is run entirely by judges.
Just because someone likely cheated in some instances does not mean every instance someone accuses them of cheating is automatically true. There are multiple accusations I see brought up that I know for a fact are crocks. If you look hard for something, you tend to find it, whether it's actually there or not.
It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
-David DeLaney
The 2 Explores video made me sick. The more people realize he cheats, the closer he will get watched and the harder it will be to do it in the future...hopefully.
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People like to overreact to things. The long and short of it is that calmer heads will be the ones making the final decisions.
More than Bertoncini's blatant cheating (scumbags exist), I'm interested in what this says about the player base as a whole. I think that we're pretty naive, and understandably so.
Almost all of us entered Magic as people that just wanted to play a fun game with a few friends. Most folks don't cheat with their buddies. As we transition into competitive players, we hold onto the fact that this is a gentleman's game. We don't expect our opponents to cheat, because they're occupying the same seat that our best friends did a few years ago.
Agreed. If poker players could get away with cheap slight of hand tricks on the World Poker Tour, they would. But they can't, because that game's culture (players, officials and spectators) is pretty vigilant, both casually and professionally.
For me, the takeaway is that we (as the community) need to start keeping each other in check. Players should keep a close eye on their opponent, spectators need to learn their rights when it comes to reporting shady plays, and judges need to assume that every player at a competitive event, regardless of their reputation, has the capacity to cheat if given the chance.
My $.02.
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Also, take back the cash, the Moxen, the lotus and the Recall, then suspend the little bastard.
Let him keep the Timetwister to remind him that he's a little bastard.
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How To Not Get Cheated On Brainstorms and Cantrips
It is relatively easy to draw extra cards against people if they aren't paying attention. The way to prevent this is to simply ask, in response to any card draw, is to say "how many cards in your hand?" Make them count them to show you. Write that number down on your life pad. Ask an opponent to lay the cards on the table before they draw. Yes, you have to do this every time. Yes, you have to be especially careful when someone uses Jace. After they resolve their effect, ask again how many cards there are. Doing this early and often puts people on notice. You'll get sloppy about asking this if you're in the lead; this is exactly when someone is going to try to cheat you.
I enjoy practicing amateur magic tricks with a deck of playing cards. I can manipulate a deck of cards in dazzling ways if you let me keep it in my hands and you don't check my work. I can draw two cards and make it look like I drew one. I can count the cards in my hand by stacking two on top of each other and make it look like I have far fewer. I obviously don't do any of this in Magic, even though it'd really easy to do because you can exploit the "loading screen" parts of Magic (like shuffling and tutoring). Touch your opponent's cards. They have sleeves on them, they can take it.
I'm baffled that people get lax about enforcing these things when they are playing against known shady people.
PV(DDR) and Knutson really got into it on twitter, unsurprisingly. IIRC Knutson years ago was gleefully spreading rumors of all Brazilian players being cheaters, including a young PV - Knutson has a long history of accusing people of cheating, accurately and not. Not surprised he wanted to publish this.
It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.
-David DeLaney
It's easy to see that in this much debated Brainstorm he only gets 3 cards.
The cards edges are dark lines, the white line is a bent on the shield, not an edge between the top card and the one under it, just like the big white area on the top card.
This false color image shows it better, making the difference between bend and edge much clearer.
All other instaces: cheater.
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Not buying it unless someone else replicates the scenario. I've owned hundreds of those sleeves (KMC metallic blue), they're too slim to bend and to produce a perfectly vertical dent like that without marking the sleeves is hard to imagine.
His editor note on Drew's post stated that he's more than happy to publish Alex's rebuttal if he chooses to defend himself.
A little bit of humor to add to this thread.
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Regardless if he drew 3 or 4 cards, the other instances are enough evidence. I really want to delete him from facebook so I don't have to see his posts and random people sucking his manhood in the comments, but I want to see a resolution to all of this and see his reaction.
If he doesn't get banned, he will be hated by the community more so and people will just watch him like a hawk, if they don't already
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It's one thing if the information is hidden, like game rules involving APNAP or obscure gamestates that only occur when there's things like Humility, Serra's Blessing and Phantom Centaur in play, but just casting a spell and somehow using its effect twice in one turn? I wish *my* Explores said "Play three lands. If target judge would issue you a Warning, he issues you a Caution instead."
I guess the part I don't understand is thinking you can get away with it when there's a guy and a cellphone, like, right there. There's SO many instances of foul play, you just start thinking he wants to get caught.
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