There's an Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth on the battlefield.Originally Posted by Oiolosse
"I'm willing to imagine a TES where Past in Flames replaces Ill-Gotten Gains entirely, and we just don't play Diminishing Returns." - me, 29/09/2011
Founding member of Team Scrubbad: Legacy Legends
doh, thanksapal.
Does Grapeshot have other uses apart from 'grapeshooting' someone for ~50? Is it also used to combat Meddling Mage on Tendrils of Agony or similar strategies? Could Pyroclasm be a better SB option?
Thanks!
Last edited by markitus; 01-31-2012 at 11:09 AM.
Well besides grapeshooting for 50 and killing meddling mages, it kills gaddock tegg, cannonist, aven mindcensor.... pyroclasm and grapshoot bith have the same challenge, being they create red damage, which can be prevented by mother of runes. Although I wouldn't suggest it over a grapeshot, I prefer virtue's ruin over pyroclasm.
There have been times where you don't tendrils the opponent for lethal and next turn or on the same turn you wish for grapeshot and grapeshot them for lethal (example you grapeshot them for 6 damage then tendrils them for 14 damage.) If you don't include it in the sideboard you're doing it wrong.
Pyroclasm is meh against mom. I'd suggest virtue's ruin instead if you're that worried, but the best plan against maverick is to either EtW quickly before they land a hatebear, typically turn 1 or just kill them the usual way as quickly as possible i.e. mull into a fast hand that isn't clogged up with cantrips unless those cantrips are brainstorms.
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Went 3-1 in a local tourney finishing first in swiss..
vs dredge 2-0
g1: Went to T2 IGG>Tendrils.
G2: Draw go for a few turns. Pyroblasted his breakthrough. Then Ad Naus on my turn to lethal Tendrils.
vs Nic Fit 2-1
g1: T1 - Tendrils for 22.
g2: He continuously disrupted my hand.
g3: I was able to initially get rid of his inquisition and vindicate. After draw go for a few turns he managed to get a bob, Pridemage and teeg in play. Then I pondered to a pyroclasm to sweep them. After a mini tendrils and another draw go for a few turns, I was down to 5 and he was down to 8. Facing lethal damage from KOTR, I top decked a Burning wish then went to diminishing returns to tendrils for 16
vs UW ctrl 2-1
g1: I tried to go for ETW through Burning wish with a wished thoughtseize as protection. He had Mana Leak and FOW.
g2: I started with duress and saw bs, mana leak and 2 Fows. Then I bluffed into looking for a mana source by showing infernal which worked. So I showed my duress. 2 duress, a pyroblast and a drawn Orim's were enough to clear the way for Ad Naus
g3: He was able to play leyline of sanctity after he pierced my duress. I brainstormed into Infernal, Dark rit and Ad Naus.
My turn I decided to do this: Petal, Rite, LED, LED, Ponder (on Stack then crack the 2 LEDs), Ad Nauseam - resolves. I flipped the cards then went down to 1. I started with Silence which resolves as well. Then bounced his leyline which allowed me to go for lethal tendrils.
Vs Berserk Stompy.(IL – Intentional Loss)
I decided to give my teammate the win so that there will be a chance for the three of us to go to top 4.
Top 4.
Vs UW again(my teammate actually)
I gave him the game because he doesn’t have a BYE yet for the next major tourney(I already have one). We decided to still play just to know what might have happened.
G1: I duressed his FOW. He wasted my only land and got a Crucible Online.
G2: I managed to resolve and Ad Naus. I went for Grapeshot for 20 through past in Flames. He responded with a swords on mishra which put him down to 1. I tried to flashback my grapeshot but MADE A MISTAKE OF NOT UNDERSTANDING THE ERRATA OF PIF. Anyway, I was able to wish for a Tendrils to finish him off.
G3: I duressed something relevant from him then pyroblasted his BS. I’m not sure if I made the right move. He managed to land a Counterbalance but with no sensei in play. I decided to go off on my turn. I played mox and petal where he triggers SB and revealed a Clique. Thoughtseize, rite of flame, LED, LED, Burnish wish to ETW for 16. I was happy because I was able to display my NM Mon’s Goblin Raiders tokens and they went the distance. Whoohoo!!
Well, my teammate went on to the semis and won the BYE for the next major tourney
Flops:
Not Knowing the Errata of PIF
Wins:
Topdeck BW to Diminishing to goodness.
My NM Mon’s Goblin Raiders Tokens in display
The “good luck” habit still works for me. Thanks Bryant for sharing this in one of your articles.
Past in Flames doesn't have any errata. What you mean is that you just didn't know how the card works.
"I'm willing to imagine a TES where Past in Flames replaces Ill-Gotten Gains entirely, and we just don't play Diminishing Returns." - me, 29/09/2011
Founding member of Team Scrubbad: Legacy Legends
Yeah, I mean that. Not knowing how the card fully works. Thanks.
It is a little weird keeping track of what has flashback and what doesn't.
In your second round, was the Pyroclasm you boarded in a one-of wish target? That seems odd.
"I'm willing to imagine a TES where Past in Flames replaces Ill-Gotten Gains entirely, and we just don't play Diminishing Returns." - me, 29/09/2011
Founding member of Team Scrubbad: Legacy Legends
Yes, I boarded 2 echoing and 1 pyroclasm(replaced wipe away). I still had 1 silent departure in SB as a wish target so I didn't find boarding in pyroclasm a problem.
Lost a GPT (+Mox) win-and-in to an opponent who already had three byes in extra turns of game three to a top-decked Force. Blaaaaarghh.\
To add something slightly constructive to this post, I drew with Nic Fit, beat a Gw homebrew, beat No-Force Bant, beat Stoneblade, lost to RUG Delver, and then lost the aforementioed match to Stoneblade.
"I'm willing to imagine a TES where Past in Flames replaces Ill-Gotten Gains entirely, and we just don't play Diminishing Returns." - me, 29/09/2011
Founding member of Team Scrubbad: Legacy Legends
Won the NELC at Jupiter games today. Four feature matches of me to come!
Also, expect a report.
Congratulations on the finish.
Missed the monthly legacy at my LGS today due to work, apparently Maverick took it down. Wish I played, lol.
Congrats on the finish. I have almost completed the deck. Just 3 LEDs, a Volcanic Island and a Polluted Delta to finish it up. It encourages me to see top finishes. Thanks.
I built Bryant's list and took it to a local today. It was great fun, we split the top 4. First time playing the deck against anyone live, not a bad finish.
Nothing really spectacular happened, except for comboing off through a Thorn of Amethyst and Phyrexian Revoker (against my buddy playing Imperial Painter). It seems to be a good time to play Storm combo.
When should we be expecting it?
Played TES in the legacy challenge at Starcity Cinci. Final round vs Counterbalance.
5 lands in play, played Chrome Mox. Resolved. Said 'with imprint trigger on the stack, crack fetch.'. Ad Naus, he brainstorms in response and Ad Naus resolves. Finished Resolving Ad naus at 4, not willing to risk flipping. Imprinted a blue card. Cast Lotus Petal. He decided not to flip. Pondered. He didn't flip. This tell's me there is a 2 on top. Ponder showed me the tendrils. Petal LED LED, brainstorm cracking LED's into Tendrils. Tendrils for 10 Storm.
Chrome Mox trick worked.
Is there any reason here to not just cast the chrome mox after ad nauseam resolves? If he had the force/CB reveal for ad nauseam, you'd be out a chrome mox.
I was testing what he had on top. He had 1 mana open, no top, and a counterbalance.
Oh also, my hand was suited to go off on a later turn if I drew protection, or drew out a counterspell. I had LED's and an Infernal in my hand, with a 2nd Ad naus in the deck.
Makes sense, I forgot that you get priority back after their counterbalance trigger even if they don't resolve it.
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