[DO NOT TRY TO SELL IN HERE] Pimp Legacy Decks

[Zakman86]

Good. Less competition at Vintage Worlds.

Hope you have an extra Time Walk if you plan to play in it, the art's clearly not recognizable on that one. The Time Vault's iffy too. (The MTR just got changed, they would have been fine before that.)

EDIT: New MTR states:
Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.

[i_set_fire]

All right I can't take it anymore. I thought I was fine with people altering the cards they own, but this is ridiculous. Crap like this makes me want to gouge my eyes out before people tell me they want to show me an alter.

Both of these scans are larger than the previous ones supplied by my artist. But it is irrelevant...I'll be scanning them all together once they're back.

Time Vault:


Black Lotus:


All that is left is Spike on the foil Voltaic Keys and DD Tezzeret the Seekers, and my Guru duals. And my artist is correcting Celestia's mane and tail - the green isn't visible enough and he missed the pink portion.

[gtx]

haters gonna hate.

its his cards anyway. not a fan of this cartoon but the alter was done in decent fashion. nice "pony 9" solaran!

[Sloshthedark]

Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.

One thousand Vintage decks just died from internal bleeding.

[mini1337s]

Personally, the cost of beat-up Power 9 and a couple of pony alters is totally worth watching the Internet get mad :P
Not a fan of ponies, but to each his own.

[Julian23]

I've seen the future.

People will pay to get all their pony stuff "altered" back to the original look

[Einherjer]

Id have prefered kittens but ponies are fine aswell.

[Wereodile]

Personally, the cost of beat-up Power 9 and a couple of pony alters is totally worth watching the Internet get mad :P
Not a fan of ponies, but to each his own.

I agree to each his own, let's all remember this is a game and we are here to have fun #nottryingtostartaflamewar

[Koby]

Just to be clear, these belong in the Alters thread, not the Pimp thread. We will judge your unpopular Brony alters to the max here. Have a nice day!

[Solaran_X]

Hope you have an extra Time Walk if you plan to play in it, the art's clearly not recognizable on that one. The Time Vault's iffy too. (The MTR just got changed, they would have been fine before that.)

EDIT: New MTR states:
Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.

Actually, the cards are still recognizable easily. The Time Walk still has the stonehenge and hill to show what it is - it's only missing the clock faced skeleton men. And the Time Vault still has the actual vault, it's merely missing the two robed figures.

And how recent is the new MTR? Out of curiousity, I ran my Time Walk and Timetwister by the level 5 at Indianapolis earlier this month, and they were okay by him for use (not that any Vintage side events fired).

Just to be clear, these belong in the Alters thread, not the Pimp thread. We will judge your unpopular Brony alters to the max here. Have a nice day!

Bring it son!

And so far, the criticisms I've received for using Ponies are far, far, far outweighed by the compliments I've gotten - both online and in person.

Anyways...Ponies are pretty much done. There will be no more blasphemy from me with this theme - now I need to track down 36 more Unlimited duals for Guru alters.

[wcm8]

The cards' art is still recognizable, I don't know why anyone would not think so. The only thing that would arguably make them illegal for sanctioned play is the faux black-bordering, but I can't really see any judges/players at a tournament actually having a problem with that.

The way I see it, this is a card game and people can do whatever the hell they want to their cards. Especially if they aren't *true* collector's pieces, like mint Beta or Summer Magic, or some sort of ridiculously rare test-print run foil.

To make a guitar comparison, it's not like he's taking an original '59 Gibson Les Paul and butchering it with a Floyd Rose tremolo. THAT would be a travesty. Pony Unlimited power though? That's more akin to taking an Epiphone reissue and modding the pickups. To each their own.

[Zakman86]

Actually, the cards are still recognizable easily. The Time Walk still has the stonehenge and hill to show what it is - it's only missing the clock faced skeleton men. And the Time Vault still has the actual vault, it's merely missing the two robed figures.

And how recent is the new MTR? Out of curiousity, I ran my Time Walk and Timetwister by the level 5 at Indianapolis earlier this month, and they were okay by him for use (not that any Vintage side events fired).

Effective Monday, was released this last Sunday.

The Clock-faced skeleton men are a pretty important part of the picture for Time Walk; you basically only have the background and it's difficult to tell at a glance. Missing half the art on Time Vault is a thing too. I'd be hard-pressed to allow either at this point.

Since most Vintage events aren't sanctioned it generally won't matter, but I recommend having extra copies at GenCon if at all possible.

[wcm8]

I'd be hard-pressed to allow either at this point.

Are you even a judge?

Pretty sure 99.9% of judges would have no issue with these alters if he ran them by them prior to the tournament starting, and the .1% who does is just being a dick.

[Zakman86]

Are you even a judge?

Pretty sure 99.9% of judges would have no issue with these alters if he ran them by them prior to the tournament starting, and the .1% who does is just being a dick.

Spoken like someone who obviously hasn't read the MTR. Just saying.

[sdematt]

Not only is he a judge, he's also giving the announcement/talk on what's allowed and what isn't.

@ Solaran

The alters are very cute, if that's the right word. They are definitely of good quality, and I appreciate that you used beat UNL power instead of NM Alpha power to do so. I think whoever you play is going to have a fun time with those!

Even though they may be dicey in terms of allow-ability, it still takes some guts to do alters on expensive cards like that. I feel like this is very much another alter that came out a while ago. If you like it, rock on. If you don't, too bad sort of deal.

But, I do agree with the fact these do belong more in the Altered Art thread, but it's understandable you'd want to show them off :)
--


On another note, 4x Korean Dread of Night, 2x Korean Warmth, 1 Beta Howling Mine, 4x Russian Knight of the Reliquary, 4x Russian Delver, 4x Russian Ponder, 1x Russian Tar Pit, and 1x Russian Maelstrom Pulse are inbound :)

-Matt

[Zakman86]

As a side note, pre-MTR Change, every single one of those alters, I would have been fine with; I'm still fine with the Lotus and the Moxen, the other ones, YMMV depending on the judge.

[wcm8]

Spoken like someone who obviously hasn't read the MTR. Just saying.

Let's see...

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...icle/20090414a

"Cards used in a tournament may not have writing on their faces other than signatures or artistic modifications. Modifications may not obscure the artwork so as to make the card unrecognizable. If modifications to a card are deemed by the Head Judge to constitute outside notes or unsporting conduct, the player using such cards will be subject to the appropriate provisions of the DCI Penalty Guidelines."

"The Head Judge is the final authority regarding card interpretations. See the DCI Floor Rules for the appropriate game for more detailed rules regarding how cards should be interpreted. If the Head Judge determines that a player is using non-English–language cards and/or misprints to create an advantage by using misleading text or artwork, that player will be subject to the appropriate provisions of the DCI Penalty Guidelines."

"This shows that the importance of the alteration isn't the sole criterion to determine whether a card is tournament-suitable or not. The characteristics of the original should also be taken into account: Is it a permanent, sorcery, or instant? If it's a permanent, how does it affect the game state? Is it a land or an obscure card? Once again, how will that affect the game state?"

And from the most recent MTR, effective April 2, 2012: (http://www.wizards.com/ContentResour...Rules_PDF2.pdf)

Authorized Cards
Players may use any Authorized Game Cards from Magic: The Gathering expansions, core sets, special sets, supplements, and promotional printings. Authorized Game Cards are cards that, unaltered, meet the following conditions:
• The card is genuine and published by Wizards of the Coast
• The card has a standard Magic back or is a double-faced card.
• The card does not have squared corners.
• The card has black or white borders.
• The card is not a token card.
• The card is not damaged or modified in a way that might make it marked.
• The card is otherwise legal for the tournament as defined by the format.
• The card is a proxy issued by the judge of a tournament (see section 3.4 for rules about proxies).

Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.

The Head Judge is the final authority on acceptable cards for a tournament.

I do not see ANYTHING indicating that his modifications would not be tournament legal, especially after taking into account that these will be double-sleeved in perfect fits and KMC mattes.

[CorpT]

Did you guys see the Snoopy Tarmogoyf alters? It was pretty obvious what those were and those were specifically disallowed on day 2 of Indy because they were not "recognizable". I don't know that these ponies are more or less recognizable, but that is where the bar is set.

[Zakman86]

I do not see ANYTHING indicating that his modifications would not be tournament legal, especially after taking into account that these will be double-sleeved in perfect fits and KMC mattes.

Let's actually compare the cards.






Time Walk: The vast majority of the art is missing. The only pieces still remaining are a small piece of the walkway, a small piece of the stones, and a bit of the background.

Time Vault: The entire right half of the card has been changed.

I wouldn't consider it a stretch to call the card art on either one unrecognizable.

[jamesh]

so they're recognizable as what other cards -that's the issue with alteration most often, confusion
there's no confusion here, the card names are clear and they resemble no other cards
you might think the art sucks, but it's not like they're going to be mistaken as dwarven pony or mesa pegasus