Compare that new Demon to Abyssal Persecutor and it seems pretty crappy all of a sudden.
Miracle cards are going to be annoying.
As for their ruling for brainstorm and such, you probably just have to reveal it and put the trigger on the stack if you plan to cast it, no biggie. It seems you have to cast them when you draw them so it's not that confusing. The drawback is just it being crappy timing when you want to cast them all the time.
Miracle is annoying from not only a rules standpoint, but to any competitive player.
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the reality of "miracle":
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Or kill them with delvers and some bolts before your opponent gets that guy out.
Set looks absolutely atrocious six cards in, like, the worst post-1995 set I've ever seen actually. Four mana 3/4 flying flash with a really good CIP ability (obviously a Legacy unplayable, but from a Limited and Standard perspective)? Miracle at face value (there might be some other mechanics in Avacyn Restored that make Miracle not completely horrible, but I'm not holding my breath)?
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Actually, I'm betting that the Angel at least gets tried out in a deck that tries to do cute things like D&T. Something something, Vial in Leonin Relic-Warder/Fiend Hunter, stack its ability and then pay 3W for the Angel, resolve the critter's leaves-play ability, then put another ETB ability on the stack and grab something, then resolve the first ETB trigger. One permanent is exiled forever, another one is under his butt, and now you have a flyer to put equipment on. *\o/*
Really if it is in fact spoiled correctly, it says something like, "Replay target ETB ability. Put a 3/4 penis in target opponent's ear." Shit, I mean, recast SFM's ability? Flip a face-down guy in response to removal? Put Tidehollow Sculler's ability on the stack? Some of these are worth paying 3W for, especially if you're also making a dude. It's a little hefty on the casting cost but it seems super D&T-ish. It'd be a shame not to try it out.
The cc is too high to be legacy playable. For 4 mana you should be winning the game and not doing a cute combat trick.
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Fingers crossed for not having even 1 more playable Miracle card. Don't like the mechanic at all. When I saw that card I thought about Dark Withering with different mechanic. Lame design?
You can. Brainstorm provides an attempt at the miracle with the initial blind first-draw on the opponent's turn, and it allows you to put any miracles in hand back to the top-card to trigger the following draw step. I think the miracle approach would probably promote Ponder's value to UR Delver - don't know if it's already universally run, but seems like you'd definitely want 4 in a miracle build.
With there being talk of one miracle card (non-blue, I hope/believe) that could be broken in legacy, anyone else believe these could have been part of the reason for MT's demise?
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Wow. Love the Miracle mechanic. Top is going to be nuts once this set comes out. Depending on what they print with Miracle could we see a Counterbalance resurgence? Its great against quite a few decks in DTB right now so if they print something decent like a board sweeper with Miracle, I can see Counterbalance doing well with all their cantrips and Tops. Especially with everyone playing Burn and Maverick.
I really hope they print a new ritual to replace Cabal Ritual. Doomsday, ANT, and TES would go nuts with it and their cantrips. This new Fireblast is going to be DOPE in Hanni's WUR Quickdraw list as it plays 4 Brainstorm and 3 Magma Jet in the maindeck.
And there's always Innocent Blood and Liliana. Go BUG Control.
EDIT:
Question about Miracle. If you draw it and you want to cast it for its Miracle cost, then does that mean you must play it in the draw step? If so their is no way they can print a ritual with it because you would have to spend the mana in your drawstep.
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Those don't work on Sigarda:
Sigarda, Host of Herons 2GWW
Flying, Hexproof
Spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents
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Miracle: Yes unless you have a way to skip your draw step and draw later in the turn or on your opponent's turn.
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anyway Miracle cards is next Mental Missteps - it will screams for Ban - Brainstorm/SDT or them.. I like Brainstorm not new broken mechanics..
Funny how everybody is always saying cards are too expensive (CMC) for legacy to be playable. This was the exact same discussion as for Batterskull. And indeed, that card sees no play at all!..
I figure this card will be great in Nic Fit (at least in my friends'). That deck was always lacking a very solid 5-drop as GSZ target. Now they can have access to a 5/5 flyer which is almost impossible to get rid of. Ima so sad :(.
Miracle looks kinda strange though. We'll have to see what else the set brings us of this mechanic. Flipcards gave us Delver which sees much play, so I'm not already shouting it is worthless and sucks.
Either Thunderous Wrath gets axed (like Mental Misstep) or DCI decides to ban Brainstorm. It's going to be crazy powerful in Legacy.
A free counter that is playable by all decks and a 5 damage burn spell forthat requires a certain setup most of the time are leagues apart in terms of power.
Everyone who says Thunderous Wrath requires setup is missing the point. If you want to do 5 damage to your opponent's face, then it just requires paying R during your draw step, which literally any burn deck can do. This thing only requires setup if you unluckily get it in your opening hand. I suspect that most of the "Miracle" cards will lean towards the "usable anytime" side of the spectrum. In turn, this leads me to think they'll either all be around the power level of Thunderous Wrath, and the mechanic is stupid busted and we'll all be yelling for stuff to get banned soon.
OR the super bolt is the best of the lot and we can largely ignore these things.
+1.
I'm looking forward to an explanation of how exactly to handle Miracle cards.
About the rest of them, I don't think they are particularly threatening. Restoration Angel is good in limited, but I'm not even sure it will be matter in standard. Sigarda (GW angel) can be countered, removed by sweepers, outclassed by bigger creatures or legend ruled to death by clone effects, and those are abundant in standard. In legacy, Sigarda most likely just isn't effective enough for that cost.
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