Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[Antonius]

seriously? biggest hoser tease since this fucker vs Baneslayer Angel. If you really wanted to block phyrexian mana spells shouldn't the hatebear cost 1W or WW so you could, uh, i don't know, actually stop them from getting to cast said phyrexian mana spells? Stupid wotc.

aaaand the last of today's interesting previews:



doesn't seem playable. interesting, though.

[UnsungHero]

This is kinda neat.

[baghdadbob]

I'm not sure about that angel. Doe's that mean it shuts down Natural Order and Cabal Therapy? Just wondering.

Either way it is pretty sick as a honor of the pure. I expect to see play from this.

[baghdadbob]

This is kinda neat.

Holy shit I think that might have made pox a dtb??? lol But seriously this is the nuts in BUG control right?

Either way I expect that this card will see ALOT of play. Power creep is pretty intense this set. Maybe one of the most powerful I have seen so far. Anyone agree?

[Aggro_zombies]

This is kinda neat.

The art on this version is gorgeous. I don't care how good it is, I want it for the art.

[Vacrix]

Its worth noting that the Angel doesn't stop Ad Nauseam because the life isn't paid to cast the spell, its the effect of the spell upon resolution rather than an additional cost.

Druid Depository? Shit sucks. More like Druid Suppository.

[heroicraptor]

I'm not sure about that angel. Doe's that mean it shuts down Natural Order and Cabal Therapy? Just wondering.

Either way it is pretty sick as a honor of the pure. I expect to see play from this.

And Force and Fetchlands.

[Vacrix]

Holy shit I think that might have made pox a dtb???

Eh.. if you are dealing with Knight of the Reliquary and friends then you'll be willing to pay as much as 6 life to keep 2 dudes in play. I don't think it makes Pox DTB but it will help them out against swarm matchups like Gobos, Elves and Affinity.

[Antonius]

oooh, i have to re-evaluate.

That ho blanks Fetchlands. Sure, that's a lot better on a creature you can get out early, but having a relevant body and evasion is pretty important too.

Though I must gripe about the fact that they could have and should have taken it further, to "Player's can't pay life or sacrifice permanents to cast spells or activate abilities." That would have put a damper on KOTR and introduced another way for maverick to break open its mirrors.

[Vacrix]

Kinda cool that the Angel stops fetchlands and Force. Perhaps it could see play in DnT. It makes all your dudes bigger. It has evasion which is great with equipment. Turning off fetchlands becomes less relevant by the time it gets into play though. Same with Force. Likely they Force this, or the Vial that you would use to sneak it past countermagic.

[caiomarcos]

Fucking angel just shut down the coolest deck to come up in a good while. No more Carrion Feeder/Bombardment with recurring zombies shanenigans. Also stops gieserlband's (whatever its called) ability. Actually, it stops a bunch of stuff like dredge's Dread Return and Threapies.

[Grumpy]

Could this be an alternative to Emrakul for Combo Elves?

hell, this also seems like it could be a better Natural Order target than Progenitus in an Elf Deck. Kill potential is very very big.

If it gave my creatues Haste too it would be perfect for Combo Elves. But the way it is I wouldn't swap Emrakul for this. After a long Combo Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't do anything since most of my Elves would still have Summoning Sickness and the +x +x effect only lasts until end of turn.
Emrakul in this situation immediately wins the game.

[boneclub24]

If it gave my creatues Haste too it would be perfect for Combo Elves. But the way it is I wouldn't swap Emrakul for this. After a long Combo Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't do anything since most of my Elves would still have Summoning Sickness and the +x +x effect only lasts until end of turn.
Emrakul in this situation immediately wins the game.

Yeah, a bit of a letdown...

[Zand]

Killing Wave is crazy good... This set is pretty ridiculous.

[Vacrix]

Agreed. Haste would have put that card over the top. Still it will be pretty legit in Elves, especially since its a potential Pact target, unlike Emrakul.

EDIT:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Cloudshift.


It could have potential. An extra CIP effect for W? I assume you cannot play this along side Dreadnought.

[joemauer]

Killing Wave is crazy good... This set is pretty ridiculous.

How is killing wave crazy good?

Damnation or infest are better cards than it and they see little to no play.

Maybe this could be a sideboard card for some decks. That is my optimistic outlook for it.

[Antonius]

If it gave my creatues Haste too it would be perfect for Combo Elves. But the way it is I wouldn't swap Emrakul for this. After a long Combo Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't do anything since most of my Elves would still have Summoning Sickness and the +x +x effect only lasts until end of turn.
Emrakul in this situation immediately wins the game.

The dude himself has haste. From what i've seen, most elf decks usually have like 10+ guys on the field by the time Emrakul can make an appearance. If at least one of those is a Nettle Sentinel that's not sick, then you can easily bash for 27 with trample with just that and craterhoof.

@Joemauer: The card itself is a gambit that can really open someone up to being hurt by pox. Or the other way around.

[Kich867]

I'm really liking the look of that new green creature. I've had a lot of history with elves and I would surely test dropping emrakul for 1-2 of him. You can either go off and swing over trampling hard, or you can hold off a turn and swing over hard the next turn after fetching him. On-color win conditions is something that Elves often lacks. Mirror Entity is a bit wonky and requires running suboptimal cards (Despite the deck still performing extremely well), Emrakul being off-color often requires the use of Fierce Empath to be easier to find and is a terrible top-deck, this is something definitely worth looking into.

[Koby]

How is killing wave crazy good?

Damnation or infest are better cards than it and they see little to no play.

Maybe this could be a sideboard card for some decks. That is my optimistic outlook for it.

Definitely agree here. At X = 3 it means they get to keep their best creature while you cast Magma Burst.

[Grumpy]

The dude himself has haste. From what i've seen, most elf decks usually have like 10+ guys on the field by the time Emrakul can make an appearance. If at least one of those is a Nettle Sentinel that's not sick, then you can easily bash for 27 with trample with just that and craterhoof.

@Joemauer: The card itself is a gambit that can really open someone up to being hurt by pox. Or the other way around.

Sure, 27 damage with trample doesn't sound too bad. But is he better than Emrakul?

Craterhoof can be countered with Force of Will, Emrakul can't. Craterhoof dies to Swords to Plowshares, Emrakul does not. Craterhoof can be removed with Submerge or Neutralized with Maze of Ith, Emrakul can't (at least not the timewalk and the Annihilator 6 will get rid of the Maze pretty fast).

Craterhoof COULD be a devastating finisher but Emrakul always IS.
Craterhoof's casting costs are much lower than Emrakul's though. So he could be interesting as an alternative wincon if we don't combo. But 8 mana seems a bit too much for that.