Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[majikal]

Well, Earthcraft is never getting unbanned now.

[Stall_19]

The art on that planeswalker is outstanding.

[UnsungHero]

And one for the EDH nerds.

[UnsungHero]

The art on that planeswalker is outstanding.

The art in this SET is amazing. Loving all of it so far. I wonder if Tamiyo will have a sweet emblem token with some cool art?

[Cire]

That is the most historical ultimate in the world....

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Actually, on reflection, Demonic Taskmaster might be viable in a disruption deck that only needs/wants to land a single threat anyway.

[Aggro_zombies]

Loving Tamiyo. Likely not Legacy-playable, but she seems super fun if you get her to ultimate.

[baghdadbob]

Yeah I am really loving the art work from this new set. Very EPIC feeling, just makes you stare in awe.

[Phoenix Ignition]

If people start playing R/U/w Blue Sligh (instead of Mono Red Burn), it's going to be DTB easily. It was already top tier before... but now it's just rediculous.

If the opponent lets me resolve Devil on turn 1 because they have an StP, what do they do when I drop double Delvers on turn 2? If the opponent takes 4 damage instead... fuck yes, I just did 4 damage for R.

They're going to cast their 3 Swords to Plowshares. Or maybe their 3 (in a row, obviously, because this hypothetical already has you with 3 of your 4-ofs) time walks since they found their brainstorm. Now it's turn 6 for them and 3 for you.

Yay stupid hypotheticals that involve you hitting 3 of your 4!

[Nihil Credo]

That is the most historical ultimate in the world....

Karn would have a word with you.

I kinda like this Planeswalker, she looks very well balanced. She's got the essentials right to be an interesting card worth including - a self-protection ability and a strong ultimate - while the second ability provides some gameplay variance, being potentially dead or potentially gamewinning. I would also appreciate that the second ability encourages a style of deck, except that she comes in the same block as Lingering Souls so bleh.

All of the above is for Standard, of course. Girl's trade fodder for Legacy.

[Vacrix]

You don't need countermagic to protect Devil for him to be good. The point of running a density of 16 super powerful 1 drop creatures is to be able to overload the opponent's removal. If the Devil eats a removal spell, that's no different than if a Delver eats a removal spell. Eventually, you're going to get one to stick, and then go to town. In this case, if the Devil sticks and they pay 4 life instead, that's still a fantastic value for the mana spent.

Not saying you need countermagic for him to be good. Just that I'm guessing that he'll be better in decks that can run a light countermagic suite like UR Delver because it makes one of the two options that much better.

On the other hand, he will be run in Burn, where he will be good, but not quite as good as in UR Delver. Burn's creatures die really quickly. Hell Spark is around just long enough to say hi. Keldon Marauder stays at the party until they bust out the cake and then he's gone. You don't use removal spells on these creatures often. Devil, however, will soak up your opponent's removal, effectively turning it on. So in Burn, Devil is not going to be a sick reach spell against decks playing removal; its going to be the prime target of a Bolt or an STP. If played in UR Delver though, they play multiple threats that stay around for a while and they have countermagic to protect them from removal. That means if they let Devil resolve, its far more deadly. Either way if they don't want it in play it deals 4. The point is once its in play, how good is it if it eats a removal spell? WotC was careful to put its toughness at 3. A countermagic ensures that its a far more dangerous card than it is in a mono-red Burn deck.

Surely Devil will be good in Burn. I'm seriously afraid to see it in UR Delver though, especially since that guy can put a savage clock on you if you let it stick. As a storm combo player, this can't be good for us. I hope Avacyn gives us something nice, especially with all the new storm hate flying around. Thalia is heavily played storm hate, maindeck in fact along with Teeg which can get GSZ'd now. That means Maverick has a fairly good chance of having an answer on turn 2 that compels storm combo to do something about.

[The Big Ragu]

Storm players have been getting shafted recently. This is true.

[Vacrix]

Yeah seriously.... WotC is all like, "Hey lets kind of give storm a card since we've been hating so hard on them. OH RND I have an idea! What if we basically reprinted IGG only made it red and gave it flashback to give storm players hope that they can actually race a Delver and a Goblin Guide and then resolve their whole graveyard with an LED? We'll call it Past in Flames."

[Oiolosse]

I hope somebody somewhere Stifles Vexing Devils triggered ability so that they don't have to take the 4. I would laugh so hard.

[dontbiteitholmes]

I kinda like how WotC is starting to fill junk rare slots with potential EDH generals/cards that are more or less unplayable in real constructed formats. As much as it will suck to open Bruna or Gisela at least I can trade them off and have dumbass kids rare draft them and leave the playable cards in the pack.

I hope somebody somewhere Stifles Vexing Devils triggered ability so that they don't have to take the 4. I would laugh so hard.

I had someone Mental Misstep my Raven's Crime and pay 2 life, anything is possible.

[Whippoorwill]

I like the new 'Walker. My plan is to experiement with it in a control shell with 1x LED and Grapeshot/Tendrils for the kill condition. I'm sure it'll be bad, but it'll be fun!

[Vacrix]

Yeah the new Walker is shit in Legacy. Its ultimate isn't nearly as good as Jace's who will get it around the same time given that he has multiple abilities that allow you to secure a win in a variety of scenarios.

[majikal]

I like the new 'Walker. My plan is to experiement with it in a control shell with 1x LED and Grapeshot/Tendrils for the kill condition. I'm sure it'll be bad, but it'll be fun!

LOL, you can Intuition all of them straight to your hand!

[JDK]

I hope somebody somewhere Stifles Vexing Devils triggered ability so that they don't have to take the 4. I would laugh so hard.

This is going to be the new "Stifle your Standstill-Trigger" joke.

BOARD ALL THE TORPOR ORBS!

[Elminister]

I can't think of a single scenario where getting an additional turn would be bad. Temporal Mastery recycles itself, you get to drop another land, get another attack step, get additional counters on your planeswalker, get to drop equipment, equip it and attack with SFM. In the meantime, your opponent is twiddling fingers and lagging more and more behind.

There's absolutely no drawback to taking an additional turn. None. And chaining more than 1 of these will be ridiculous.

This card WILL get banned. Possibly in every relevant format, so better save your money.