[Deck] Dredge

[264505]

...and he plays badly.

Seriously, how is it possible that all the SCG T8 Dredgers are so terrible.

According to the twitter feed, he borrowed the deck from a friend before the tourney. It is his first time playing the deck.

[dredgekid]

this dredge player..... on scg.... makes... me... want... to... vomit...

[dredgekid]

According to the twitter feed, he borrowed the deck from a friend before the tourney. It is his first time playing the deck.

this is what makes me want to cry. people who don't know what they are doing top 8ing events. Oh well, just shows dredge is so powerful that even someone who has no clue what they are doing can top 8 if they get lucky.

[badjuju]

Well that was excruciating to watch.

[Godmode]

Dredge carrying another dude to Top8...

[K1w1]

Nice finish :D

Digging your list, especially since you managed to fit in 3 Ichorids and 4 Therapy MB haha. Has land count ever been a problem for you? Also, how has Nether Shadow been for you in the Surgical Extraction matchups? (I know you only used it once in the tourney, but how is it in testing?)

Thanks.
Due to the fact, that i used the Nether Shadows once, i can't really say it. I think i will test it more.


And again Dredge with a Grindstone + Painter sideboard...

[Brot_Ohne_Kruste]

Hi there. I just went 5-0-2 in a tournament with 127 people in swiss with the standard german quadlaser list. So, after round 7 I was fifth. In the Top 8 I lost 1-2 to Solidarity with Leylines postboard. Here are the pairings:

Round 1: LED Dredge (2-1)
Round 2: Mono G Combo Elves (2-1; he was able to win with Ooze, but he used it wrong)
Round 3: GW Maverick (2-1)
Round 4: BW Tokens (2-0)
Round 5: Punishing Maverick (2-1)
Round 6: Uwr Control: Draw (I could have won, but after the standing of 1-1 I was able to win game three, but I didn't want to take the risk. So I offered hin, again, the draw [I was paired down, that's why he wanted to play] and he accepted)
Round 7: ID

Top 8: A friend of mine with Solidarity. As soon as we sat down, it was clear for us to split. Then I lost game 2-3 to Leyline and his counters and fast kill.

So, I won the half of an signed Mox Pearl and another half of an signed Ancestral. That was quite okay.

Maybe I'll write a report later this week.

[jares]

Hi there. I just went 5-0-2 in a tournament with 127 people in swiss with the standard german quadlaser list. So, after round 7 I was fifth. In the Top 8 I lost 1-2 to Solidarity with Leylines postboard. Here are the pairings:

Round 1: LED Dredge (2-1)
Round 2: Mono G Combo Elves (2-1; he was able to win with Ooze, but he used it wrong)
Round 3: GW Maverick (2-1)
Round 4: BW Tokens (2-0)
Round 5: Punishing Maverick (2-1)
Round 6: Draw (I could have won, but after the standing of 1-1 I was able to win game three, but I didn't want to take the risk. So I offered hin, again, the draw [I was paired down, that's why he wanted to play] and he accepted)
Round 7: ID

Top 8: A friend of mine with Solidarity. As soon as we sat down, it was clear for us to split. Then I lost game 2-3 to Leyline and his counters and fast kill.

So, I won the half of an signed Mox Pearl and another half of an signed Ancestral. That was quite okay.

Maybe I'll write a report later this week.

Congratulations on the finish.

It never surprises me whenever a quadlaser list wins - in fact, it never surprises me whenever a Dredge deck wins. Dredge wasn't in the DTB section for a few months, but I was never in doubt that that was going to change soon enough.

I have a few inquiries regarding the details that you posted:

• What was your opponent for Round 6?
• What did your sideboard look like?

Kind Regards,
jares

[jares]

Thanks.
Due to the fact, that i used the Nether Shadows once, i can't really say it. I think i will test it more.


And again Dredge with a Grindstone + Painter sideboard...

I'm not sure if I like the transformational sideboard for Dredge. It might be that I'm jsut not used to that kind of... flavor.

Regards,
jares

[jares]

http://jupitergamesonline.com/2012/4...8-legacy-decks

I'm thinking about whether or not the singleton Forsaken City in the sideboard was worth running over another Tarnished Citadel or Undiscovered Paradise. The choice is interesting though.

Cheers,
jares

[Mindlash]

Congratulations on the finish.

It never surprises me whenever a quadlaser list wins - in fact, it never surprises me whenever a Dredge deck wins. Dredge wasn't in the DTB section for a few months, but I was never in doubt that that was going to change soon enough.

I have a few inquiries regarding the details that you posted:

• What was your opponent for Round 6?
• What did your sideboard look like?

Kind Regards,
jares

The Sideboard was the "normal" Quadlaser Sideboard which can be seen in the in Hollywoods first post.

http://www.planetmtg.de/articles/artikel.html?id=6133

Edit: Metabreakdown: http://www.planetmtg.de/articles/artikel.html?id=6121

[Brot_Ohne_Kruste]

Congratulations on the finish.

It never surprises me whenever a quadlaser list wins - in fact, it never surprises me whenever a Dredge deck wins. Dredge wasn't in the DTB section for a few months, but I was never in doubt that that was going to change soon enough.

I have a few inquiries regarding the details that you posted:

• What was your opponent for Round 6?
• What did your sideboard look like?

Kind Regards,
jares

Thank you :-).

In round 6 I played against Uwr Control.

For the complete decklist see the link Mindlash posted :-).

[Mindlash]

Thank you :-).

In round 6 I played against Uwr Control.

For the complete decklist see the link Mindlash posted :-).

Forgot my manners...:-/ Congratz to your finish :-)

And gratz to Kiwi and Parcher as well. :-)

Combined with the two Dredgers in SCG Top 16 it seems like a good weekend for Dredge!

Looking forward to Hollywoods results in Baltimore :-)

[K1w1]

I'm not sure if I like the transformational sideboard for Dredge. It might be that I'm jsut not used to that kind of... flavor.

Regards,
jares

Yes, i was greedy this day. And i thought...hey, it isn't a big tourney, let's test!

[Mojeh]

@K1w1:
Congratz on your finish. May I ask how did you fit 8 cards against Reanimator post-board? I am having a little trouble in this matchup.
Thanks.

[K1w1]

@K1w1:
Congratz on your finish. May I ask how did you fit 8 cards against Reanimator post-board? I am having a little trouble in this matchup.
Thanks.

Thanks.

Like you said, i boarded 8 cards:

+4 Leyline of the Void
+4 Chain of Vapor

-3 Breakthrough
-1 Putrid Imp
-1 Ichorid
-1 Golgari Thug
-1 Dread Return
-1 Flayer of the Hatebound

I think it isn't worth to let breakthrough in the deck, because you still have eight (8) studies.

And Ichorid + Putrid Imp + Golgari Thug is called the Shave Tech ( go back some pages and you know what i mean )

In addition, you don't want to give your opponent a Dread Return target, so you board out the Flayer. And this is the reason why i cut the Dread Return, you don't need three (3).

Hope i could help.

K1w1

[GnuHouse]

So I'm relatively new to Dredge and I'm preparing for my first tournament with it next weekend. I think I've settled on playing Quadlazer but I've got pretty much everything to build the different variants. That being said, just a few questions for the experts

1) Of all the Dredge variants is there any consensus on which one is the strongest against the current top tier decks (Esperblade, Maverick, RUG Delver, etc)?
2) In Quadlazer there is no maindeck DR. Any thoughts on adding a DR package to the SB? Good idea or bad?
3) Thoughts on Leyline of Sanctity? I saw the guy who top 8'd the SCG open was running them and was wondering the value of them to stop graveyard hate.

Thanks!

[joemauer]

So I'm relatively new to Dredge and I'm preparing for my first tournament with it next weekend. I think I've settled on playing Quadlazer but I've got pretty much everything to build the different variants. That being said, just a few questions for the experts

1) Of all the Dredge variants is there any consensus on which one is the strongest against the current top tier decks (Esperblade, Maverick, RUG Delver, etc)?
2) In Quadlazer there is no maindeck DR. Any thoughts on adding a DR package to the SB? Good idea or bad?
3) Thoughts on Leyline of Sanctity? I saw the guy who top 8'd the SCG open was running them and was wondering the value of them to stop graveyard hate.

Thanks!

1) Resounding no.

2) Check a page or two back. There is a list you described that got first place out of 131 people.

3) I have been considering adding Leyline back to my sideboard. Some reasons why:

Maverick likes to use one bog/crypt/wheel, but leyline can't stop the OOZE.

Canadian Thresh has been using tormod's crypt as the hate card of choice lately and that deck uses burn. Also, thresh is popular. I would just hate to get blown out by a Canadian Thresh player using Surgical or Leylines of the Void while Leylines of Sanctity do squat against those cards.

The card itself leads to some weird/bad hand keeps. Anyone else been using it lately?

[Mojeh]

Thanks.

Like you said, i boarded 8 cards:

+4 Leyline of the Void
+4 Chain of Vapor

-3 Breakthrough
-1 Putrid Imp
-1 Ichorid
-1 Golgari Thug
-1 Dread Return
-1 Flayer of the Hatebound

I think it isn't worth to let breakthrough in the deck, because you still have eight (8) studies.

And Ichorid + Putrid Imp + Golgari Thug is called the Shave Tech ( go back some pages and you know what i mean )

In addition, you don't want to give your opponent a Dread Return target, so you board out the Flayer. And this is the reason why i cut the Dread Return, you don't need three (3).

Hope i could help.

K1w1

Yeah, you helped a lot.
Thank you very much ^^

[Que]

Thanks.
Due to the fact, that i used the Nether Shadows once, i can't really say it. I think i will test it more.


And again Dredge with a Grindstone + Painter sideboard...

Jason is a more than competent player... http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...last=Bulkowski

As you can see from his previous finishes he likes the ghast plan. While in AZ I got to see his feature match against Zach (Dream Halls) and ghasts more than carried their wait. G1 turn 2 Jason was able to mill 3 ghasts after a resolved Breakthrough (iirc) along with a couple of bridges recurring them and DRing FKZ ftw. Had Jason passed the turn back Zach would have S&T'ld the Dream Halls into play and gone off. FKZ wins on the spot and it is sometimes relevant as it was in this case. Passing the turn in Legacy can cost you the game and I'm sure thats why FKZ is still favored by some.

The ability to mill into 2 to 3 ghasts and simply return them via Undiscovered Paradise is less of a commitment than having to remove 2 to 3 black creatures to recur Ichorid. Sometimes it doesn't matter but over a couple of turns you will run out of black creatures. Ghasts recursive ability is a lot easier to accomplish. Especially when you have a Dakmor salvage to recur in the case your Und paradise gets nuked.

Thats not to say ghasts doesn't have its own vulnerabilities. It doesn't sacrifice itself at EOT and it can't block to net you zombies.

In his particular build, he had to accommodate his sideboard by having more mainboard lands and having to completely cut out Ichorid. I spoke to Jason and he told me he was giving the sideboard a shot. He won a couple of matches off of it iirc. At the end of the day he wasn't sure if he was going to stick with it. But it definitely throws a curveball for those people completely overloading on graveyard hate Game 2.

Ultimately what I'm saying is don't dismiss different builds and try them for yourselves. Jason missed top 8 by mere fractions in the Tiebreakers (quite lame).