Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[rufus]

If Melira weren't so much better, Cathars' Crusade could be fun with persist.

Dual Cast could be interesting with self-untappers like Pala-Pili,Puresight Merrow, or Horseshoe Crab.

Am I reading Ghostly Flicker right in that it can exile and return up to 6 cards?

[TsumiBand]

If Melira weren't so much better, Cathars' Crusade could be fun with persist.

Dual Cast could be interesting with self-untappers like Pala-Pili,Puresight Merrow, or Horseshoe Crab.

Am I reading Ghostly Flicker right in that it can exile and return up to 6 cards?

Pretty sure it's two targets, and those targets can be any mix or artifact, creature or land. Otherwise that card would be insane in any Tide deck and instantly desirable over Turnabout whenever you're using it to go off.

[rufus]

Pretty sure it's two targets, and those targets can be any mix or artifact, creature or land. Otherwise that card would be insane in any Tide deck and instantly desirable over Turnabout whenever you're using it to go off.

I guess you're right though Wot:C does play fast and loose with "and/or" - for example in the "choose one or both" cards you can clearly choose both. (FWIW the 2-6 targets version would probably not have been that strong in high tide decks since those don't play that many creatures or artifacts.)

[TsumiBand]

I guess you're right though Wot:C does play fast and loose with "and/or" - for example in the "choose one or both" cards you can clearly choose both. (FWIW the 2-6 targets version would probably not have been that strong in high tide decks since those don't play that many creatures or artifacts.)

I have to disagree, on the basis that both the Sorcery speed variants and the Reset-based variants can rock Candelabra of Tawnos. And the Sorcery speed version could flicker all kinds of shenanigatory creatures, like Cloud of Fairies and potentially Snapcaster Mage. Being able to just untap that many lands via Candelabra and/or replay those ETB trigger on Fairies and Snapcasters would open it up to generate so much mana really early in their attempt to go off.

[Malakai]

I think if Merfolk had any chance of coming back, this card killed them. Frankly, I'm glad Merfolk and CounterTop died and I won't miss them.

11-2-1 across my last three local tournaments with CounterTop. :D

[Aggro_zombies]

I think if Merfolk had any chance of coming back, this card killed them. Frankly, I'm glad Merfolk and CounterTop died and I won't miss them.

This is Legacy. People will continue to play outdated decks for years.

[DragoFireheart]

This is Legacy. People will continue to play outdated decks for years.

- You know what I mean.

As fun decks that they enjoy? Yeah, they'll stick around forever.

As tier-1 decks? Nah, they've had their time to shine but are dated in the current meta.

Could they come back? Yeah, but not likely any time soon.

[morgan_coke]

Pretty sure Maverick is really the new Merfolk - the deck that beats the blue decks and does ok vs. combo.

[Basara]

Pretty sure Maverick is really the new Merfolk - the deck that beats the blue decks and does ok vs. combo.

thats because combo players are playing silly and slow combos like ant,hightide,showandtell... they need to switch to ultraggressive combo decks like belcher or spanish inquisition...what can maverick do to them?.

Use capitalization please. Thanks. -zilla

[DragoFireheart]

thats because combo players are playing silly and slow combos like ant,hightide,showandtell... they need to switch to ultraggressive combo decks like belcher or spanish inquisition...what can maverick do to them?.

Let the blue decks beat them and then crush the blue decks in the later rounds...?

Edit: Why in the world would I play Belcher when FoW exists? Doesn't it still fold to a single counter spell?

[Koby]

Let the blue decks beat them and then crush the blue decks in the later rounds...?

Rule #35 of Maverick - If someone else can do your dirty work, beat up on those decks.

[DragoFireheart]

Rule #35 of Maverick - If someone else can do your dirty work, beat up on those decks.

Sounds Maverick is the Mafia and Blade Control decks are oppressed Italian immigrants while Combo decks are the U.S government.

[KobeBryan]

Rule #35 of Maverick - If someone else can do your dirty work, beat up on those decks.

What happens if you match up against them in the first two rounds...

[DrJones]

What happens if you match up against them in the first two rounds...

You try to get three byes to avoid playing the random rounds, like every pro does. Then, you only have to play against the decks you know you can beat.

[Koby]

What happens if you match up against them in the first two rounds...

That's when you start looking for bars open at 11 AM.

[matunos]

If Cavern of Souls is so fantastic, shouldn't the decks that would want 4 of them already be playing Leyline of Lifeforce? I know it doesn't produce mana, but still.

[rxavage]

That's when you start looking for bars open at 11 AM.

The real classy ones open at 6 am.

[I am the brainwasher]

That's when you start looking for bars open at 11 AM.

Sadly, I am not that ballsy and still try to fight myself outta the Dredge MU with these 3 misely pisely sb-slots every time instead of ignoring those completely, which seems to have the exact same effect... .

[DragoFireheart]

If Cavern of Souls is so fantastic, shouldn't the decks that would want 4 of them already be playing Leyline of Lifeforce? I know it doesn't produce mana, but still.

LoL is lol. It's a bad card, while CoS can still cast things like Aether Vial and land a turn-one Lackey without filling our deck with bad cards.

[DrJones]

If Cavern of Souls is so fantastic, shouldn't the decks that would want 4 of them already be playing Leyline of Lifeforce? I know it doesn't produce mana, but still.

That's a good question. Here's the problem with Leyline of Lifeforce.

1. You need to have 4 in your deck but they are dead cards in multiples.
2. It isn't uncounterable, and if you don't have it in your initial hand, you have to cast it. It's stupid to play a card against counters that it's itself vulnerable to counters.
3. Regardless of what the manual says about blue having troubles with permanents, blue can easily deal with creatures and enchantments.
4. It doesn't impact the board. You have to make your deck worse in order to partially protect against counterspells.

The second and third points are the reasons why Gaea's Herald doesn't see play either. The only card that almost makes the cut is Xanthid Swarm, but it's again counterable, and a very weak creature that not only dies to removal, but to any flying creature.