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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Smmenen View Post
    That's my conclusion as well. It's kinda funny how people were so resistant.

    I'm confident that my lists, or something very close to them, will be putting up major Top 8 numbers soon. I just wanted to be one of the first to get good lists out there.
    If this were true, you wouldn't be marketing your "premium" article here.

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    If this were true, you wouldn't be marketing your "premium" article here.
    I'm not sure what you mean. I've always written premium, and I used to link them here all the time, going back to like 2005. My Hulk Flash articles were premium, my SCG open/ Grand Prix metagame reports were premium, my legacy deck primers, etc. etc.

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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Smmenen View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean. I've always written premium, and I used to link them here all the time, going back to like 2005. My Hulk Flash articles were premium, my SCG open metagame reports were premium, my legacy deck primers, etc. etc.
    Just because you're consistent doesn't mean your previous statement is true. You want to capitalize on the large number of curious minds lurking in this forum. It bothered me that you attempted to Jedi your way around that by making a statement like "I just wanted to be one of the first to get a good list out there." which would imply that you're only trying to obtain recognition for your contributions to our community.

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    haven't read the article but UB Tempo Thresh seems like it could be the best way to go with Temporal Mastery. You get decent removal, a much sturdier mana base, more dudes that fly, sorcery-speed disruption (hymns) that benefit from taking extra turns and a planes walker (liliana) that sits atop the Tempo Thresh curve.

    Also, Fettergeist seems like a creature that could be playable in blue thresh/tempo archetypes. 3 mana for 3 flying power is a pretty good deal. And a 4-point ass that laughs at bolts and blocks delvers makes him even better. Could be good enough to open up more two-color tempo decks (UW or UB). I would play around with it, Delver and Tombstalker. Seems promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Just because you're consistent doesn't mean your previous statement is true. You want to capitalize on the large number of curious minds lurking in this forum. It bothered me that you attempted to Jedi your way around that by making a statement like "I just wanted to be one of the first to get a good list out there." which would imply that you're only trying to obtain recognition for your contributions to our community.
    I agree. Smmenen appears to be marketing his article in this topic. Is marketing of any form allowed on The Source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Just because you're consistent doesn't mean your previous statement is true. You want to capitalize on the large number of curious minds lurking in this forum. It bothered me that you attempted to Jedi your way around that by making a statement like "I just wanted to be one of the first to get a good list out there." which would imply that you're only trying to obtain recognition for your contributions to our community.
    This is a premium strategy article, explaining my testing and describing the conclusions I've drawn.

    I see nothing wrong with developing a decklist and writing about it for recognition. Why do you think I wrote about Hulk Flash or Iggy Pop for SCG Premium, all of which were linked here? If I wrote a tournament report, it would be the same thing.

    If you don't want to buy a premium article, please don't feel compelled to do so. I wouldn't want you, for example, to feel like you had to buy one of Drew Levin's articles on SCG premium, or any other premium writer for any other website. This isn't a high pressure sale. If you are interested and want to spend 3 bucks, go for it. If not or can't afford it, don't. No biggie.

    I'm happy to answer any questions about my testing or my findings, or any other point in this article.

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    I should qualify that these "belcher" decks no longer have Belcher. Reforge the Soul means you can reliably just execute huge turn one and two Empties every game.

    Ok my misunderstanding, and it sounds like we are both on the same page then.

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    haven't read the article but UB Tempo Thresh seems like it could be the best way to go with Temporal Mastery. You get decent removal, a much sturdier mana base, more dudes that fly, sorcery-speed disruption (hymns) that benefit from taking extra turns and a planes walker (liliana) that sits atop the Tempo Thresh curve.

    Also, Fettergeist seems like a creature that could be playable in blue thresh/tempo archetypes. 3 mana for 3 flying power is a pretty good deal. And a 4-point ass that laughs at bolts and blocks delvers makes him even better. Could be good enough to open up more two-color tempo decks (UW or UB). I would play around with it, Delver and Tombstalker. Seems promising.
    After testing various permutations, I'm firmly convinced red is necessary.

    Not only does it give you Devil and Guide, but the burn suite as well, which is very strong with Snapcaster. Devil and Guide are devastating with Temporal Mastery.

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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

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    This is a premium strategy article, explaining my testing and describing the conclusions I've drawn.

    I see nothing wrong with developing a decklist and writing about it for recognition. Why do you think I wrote about Hulk Flash or Iggy Pop for SCG Premium, all of which were linked here? If I wrote a tournament report, it would be the same thing.

    If you don't want to buy a premium article, please don't feel compelled to do so. I wouldn't want you, for example, to feel like you had to buy one of Drew Levin's articles on SCG premium, or any other premium writer for any other website. This isn't a high pressure sale. If you are interested and want to spend 3 bucks, go for it. If not or can't afford it, don't. No biggie.

    I'm happy to answer any questions about my testing or my findings, or any other point in this article.
    Drew Levin doesn't pop on to The Source and sell content to us. This website is great because of it's community, a group of players that share information so that we all become better as a result of intelligent discussion. If everyone were encouraged to horde their "new tech" and then market it around here, this website wouldn't be worth visiting.

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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

    Folks, the guy has been writing Legacy articles since the beginning. Before that he was a bigwig in vintage. He gets paid peanuts by SCG. Has it occurred to you that he just loves the game and loves to talk about it with other people who feel the same? He posts the links to get into conversations about a topic he likes.

    I wish the articles were not premium, but they are. It is a badge of honor for him, and one he deserves many times over. Get past it.
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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Smmenen View Post
    If you don't want to buy a premium article, please don't feel compelled to do so. I wouldn't want you, for example, to feel like you had to buy one of Drew Levin's articles on SCG premium, or any other premium writer for any other website. This isn't a high pressure sale. If you are interested and want to spend 3 bucks, go for it. If not or can't afford it, don't. No biggie.
    I understand that since people are coming at you, you feel the need to strike back even if you try to make it in a subtle and elegant way but this is in fact funny. Most people here would and could just give out 3 bucks to someone just because they asked but they (and me) don't want to give 3 bucks just to read a single article about Magic even though it is from a well established Magic player. The idea is offensive you know. I'd rather give 3 bucks to someone just because they asked nicely

    Plus Drew Levin (or the others) don't try to market their articles here. When you buy the SCG premium you are in for the whole package and anything can come out of it. With those guys you are not in for promises of undiscovered brokennes. I find this very sly and slightly disturbing to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Folks, the guy has been writing Legacy articles since the beginning. Before that he was a bigwig in vintage. He gets paid peanuts by SCG. Has it occurred to you that he just loves the game and loves to talk about it with other people who feel the same? He posts the links to get into conversations about a topic he likes.

    I wish the articles were not premium, but they are. It is a badge of honor for him, and one he deserves many times over. Get past it.
    Then I'll just wait for the information to be free and not discuss it until then.

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    We do not entertain discussions on The Source about violating copyright laws.
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    This card isn't good because you can cast Time walk on turn 3

    This card is good because you can reliably cast Time Warp any time you choose after turn 2, even though your deck only runs 18 lands.

    I don't know why people online all seem to believe Legacy games only last 3-4 turns. 2 "fair" decks usually have games that last many more turns.

    Say you're at 12 life and your opponent is at 3. You've just swung and are tapped out. He has a 1/1 delver out. EOT Brainstorm, Untap, reveal TM, flip delver, cast TM, attack for 3, drop delver, next turn, reveal bolt, flip delver, attack for 6, bolt, gg.





    It is a stupid, stupid card that only makes the current top blue decks better.

    What I'd like to do is come up with tools to combat this until it (may?) gets banned.

    Non blue decks have access to Teeg, but he will take a bolt to the face most of the time. Surgical extraction on an eot brainstorm (if they don't have a fetch out) isn't the worst play in the world.

    playing silence or chant after a delver reveal seems funny, but it doesn't do anything to further your deck's game plan. It could save your life tho.

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    Yeah, but if our best method to combat this stuff is extracting Brainstorm and holding mana open for Chant against an aggro deck, the format is broken.
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    Do you really want to run TM in a deck with 18 lands? Have you ever played Canadian Threshold? It will take A LOT of turns to get you on 3 lands during your upkeep..

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    I don't like that people think that everything from the internet has to be free... Whining about 3 dollars...lol...i give that as a tip to the guy who brings me lunch....the article contains a lot of information, has tons of innovative content based on testing and you get value out of it whether you a
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    I feel one of the better uses of TM is Cbalance/Jace decks, most likely in a Thopter shell.
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    Do you really want to run TM in a deck with 18 lands? Have you ever played Canadian Threshold? It will take A LOT of turns to get you on 3 lands during your upkeep..

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    That's the point. The deck should not be allowed to Time Warp if your deck is so dense.

    You only need 2 lands to cast this.

    You are supposed to have 2 lands on board and 1 in your hand.

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    Re: [Premium Article] Breaking Temporal Mastery in Legacy -- SMIP Eternal Set Review

    I too am quite surprised. Especially, that the decklists havent been posted here either, at least with the article you can cry plagerism or something...
    Truth be told, it is hard to have a useful discussions about restricted content since everyone isn't equally educated.
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